Conservative party/opposition watch

What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

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Catweazle wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 14:54
We do better in the Corruption Index, we're in joint 6th ( ish - there are a lot of ties ahead of us ), although some people dispute that.
The EU ACCOUNTS HAVE NEVER BEEN SIGNED OFF BY THE COURT OF AUDITORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are chokka full of corruption, blatant syphoning of funds.
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Stumuz2 wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 17:46
Catweazle wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 14:49 Hardly holding our democracy back was it ? We could clearly have improved our democracy considerably whilst remaining in the EU, six other countries managed it, and looking in more detail it appears that "functioning of government" is what dragged our score down - to joint 24th place. Can you blame the EU for that ?
What bit of inferiority complex self loathing person are you in that you prefer having unelected foreign nationals making your laws? Which you have no say in.
I have no inferiority complex or self-loathing, I'm aware of my abilities and limits. Someone told me "if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room....". So I'm here, not the sharpest tool in the box, not pretending to be.
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Stumuz2 wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 17:44
Mark wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 14:37 Then he 'regrets' it when the crassness of what he's said filters through his cranium.
Wasn't crass. It was true.
It was crass, ill judged and typical of BoJo. People are losing their homes, their loved ones, their very existence and he compares their sacrifices against putting an X on a scrap of paper or receiving a vaccine. He debases this country and insults the suffering of the heroic Ukrainian people with his warped splutterings.

But once someone tells him this, he suddenly 'regrets' the comparison - apparently it 'sounded better written down than it did when spoken'.....
Remember, this guy is a serial liar, who will say anything for his own ends...
He was just reverting to type.
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Stumuz2 wrote: 20 Mar 2022, 17:41
UndercoverElephant wrote: 20 Mar 2022, 11:41 Erm, brexit did not free anybody from any government. It just moved certain powers from one level of government to another.
Erm, we can now vote who wealds those powers. Basic democracy.
Erm, just 0.13% of the population voted for Boris. Some democracy huh?

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/ ... is-johnson
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Catweazle wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 18:26 I have no inferiority complex or self-loathing, I'm aware of my abilities and limits. Someone told me "if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room....". So I'm here, not the sharpest tool in the box, not pretending to be.
But happy for other foreign unelected, unaccountable, self serving nationalistic politicians to make your decisions for you?
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Mark wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 19:21 He debases this country and insults the suffering of the heroic Ukrainian people with his warped splutterings.
And then was profusely thanked by the Ukrainian ambassador for Britain’s involvement in training troops dating back to Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014. Whilst most of the EU was bending over to please Putin. The only people feigning faux outrage was the usual lefties, Libdem apologists, and EU nose in the trough brigade.

Maybe the coward pacifist Corbyn would better represent your view of your country in a war with a violent aggressor ?
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Default0ptions wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 20:02
Stumuz2 wrote: 20 Mar 2022, 17:41
UndercoverElephant wrote: 20 Mar 2022, 11:41 Erm, brexit did not free anybody from any government. It just moved certain powers from one level of government to another.
Erm, we can now vote who wealds those powers. Basic democracy.
Erm, just 0.13% of the population voted for Boris. Some democracy huh?

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/ ... is-johnson
Erm, keep up. We are talking general suffrage, not membership of a political party.
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Stumuz2 wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 20:32
Catweazle wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 18:26 I have no inferiority complex or self-loathing, I'm aware of my abilities and limits. Someone told me "if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room....". So I'm here, not the sharpest tool in the box, not pretending to be.
But happy for other foreign unelected, unaccountable, self serving nationalistic politicians to make your decisions for you?
The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999

Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix.

In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-be ... influence/
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Poor Johnson. Once again the lying, corrupt, lazy, incompetent and completely lacking in self awareness journalists at the Guardian spread more lies. Will they ever stop?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... n-mps-told
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Stumuz2 wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 20:43 The only people feigning faux outrage was the usual lefties, Libdem apologists, and EU nose in the trough brigade.

Maybe the coward pacifist Corbyn would better represent your view of your country in a war with a violent aggressor ?
Think you'll find that plenty of Tories were dismayed by his foot-in-mouth comments too....
He only got a temporary reprieve because of the Ukraine situation.
Suspect they'll still turf him out before the next election.

Corbyn is a moot point - this thread isn't about him.
As you endlessly tell us, BoJo was elected, so let's stick to the topic.
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Catweazle wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 20:48 The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999
Completely agree with this. One of the main reasons I voted leave. We had second rate, supine politicians of every colour just rubber stamping what the Kafka institution decided.
No thought at all what the globalisation loving, regulatory enlarging snorting, Parkinson's law advocates were doing to large parts of their countries. Take a look at the Elephant graph to see how that ended up.

We now hold our politicians to account. Got a crap energy policy? You cannot blame the EU anymore.

It's going to be great.
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dustiswhatweare wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 21:07 Poor Johnson. Once again the lying, corrupt, lazy, incompetent and completely lacking in self awareness journalists at the Guardian spread more lies. Will they ever stop?
Not in your world, no.
Everything that goes wrong in your life, your inadequacies will always have a simple answer. Blame Johnson. Or whoever is in power.
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Mark wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 22:41
Corbyn is a moot point - this thread isn't about him.
As you endlessly tell us, BoJo was elected, so let's stick to the topic.
Quite right.

Boris has done a sublime job on the vaccines, the rollout, the procurement. In fact, it was so good Macron LIED about the efficacy of the UK vaccine (now the world's vaccine) which according to Prof Bell Of Oxford Uni vaccine task force, the lie has cost about 200,000 lives.

In Ukraine he has shown the spineless and self-serving EU, leadership that they did not want .
His leadership has dragged their sorry apologist, let someone else do their defence butts, to confront a clear enemy.

Germany would have kept the status quo. France would have preferred the Putin arse kissing he has engaged in since elected.

But don't worry. Rumour has it there is a packet of pickled onion monster munch he has been caught standing next too. I cannot confirm if they were opened. I'm sure the guardian will confirm.
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Stumuz2 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 08:01
dustiswhatweare wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 21:07 Poor Johnson. Once again the lying, corrupt, lazy, incompetent and completely lacking in self awareness journalists at the Guardian spread more lies. Will they ever stop?
Not in your world, no.
Everything that goes wrong in your life, your inadequacies will always have a simple answer. Blame Johnson. Or whoever is in power.
Stop it, I have a busy day and I won't get much done if I spend any more time chuckling over your comments.
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dustiswhatweare wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 08:40
Stumuz2 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 08:01
dustiswhatweare wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 21:07 Poor Johnson. Once again the lying, corrupt, lazy, incompetent and completely lacking in self awareness journalists at the Guardian spread more lies. Will they ever stop?
Not in your world, no.
Everything that goes wrong in your life, your inadequacies will always have a simple answer. Blame Johnson. Or whoever is in power.
Stop it, I have a busy day and I won't get much done if I spend any more time chuckling over your comments.
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