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What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

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clv101 wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 10:44
Soon, if not already, the party will be prioritising the next GE, what's the best timing for the new leader? Not too soon or too late.
Yes, the Tory party are ruthless when it comes to changing leaders for electoral gain. My guess is there is no one with the big dog personality at the moment. Sunak? bit of a drip. Truss?, political weather cock. Raab? no killer instinct. So who will come forward to challenge as we go into a massive downturn in living standards?
If there is going to be a coup, a year before the next GE would be my bet.

One thing for sure. He is getting a political free ride at the moment. Ukraine, currency debasement, wrong energy policy, not getting a mention.
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UndercoverElephant wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 11:11
I think he'll be gone by the end of this week. This is going to finish him off.
Who is going to replace him?
UndercoverElephant wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 11:11 There is absolutely no way he can get away with this. He's told blatant lies about the leader of the opposition, resulting in physical harrassment, and now he won't retract it. If he thinks he can survive that then he's lost contact with reality.
Angela Raynor got away with a abuse and lies, why shouldn't Boris.

Does anyone believe her pathetic platitude apology?

Have Labour ever apologised for rampant anti semitism?
UndercoverElephant wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 11:11 And so have you.
Your posts over the years are redolent of you telling everyone who disagrees with you they are not in contact with reality. Maybe a little introspection is in order
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Stumuz2 wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 11:54 Who is going to replace him?
Hunt, with Sunak as chancellor. I think Sunak will agree not to stand if Hunt agrees to keep him in his current post. Hunt is the only person who has both the necessary credentials, and is at the right point in his career.
Angela Raynor got away with a abuse and lies, why shouldn't Boris.
Raynor isn't the Prime Minister.
Your posts over the years are redolent of you telling everyone who disagrees with you they are not in contact with reality. Maybe a little introspection is in order
Let's see what happens. I have stuck my neck out and made a prediction.
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I will stick mine out.......

Boris will still be PM at Christmas.
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Stumuz2 wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 11:54
Angela Raynor got away with a abuse and lies, why shouldn't Boris.

Does anyone believe her pathetic platitude apology?

Have Labour ever apologised for rampant anti semitism?
So we're in a race to the bottom, where anything goes ?
Old fashioned, I know, but shouldn't we expect much more from our PM, in terms of setting a good example ?
Boris has spent his whole life as one big lie, and leads a corrupt government that swindles BILLIONS from the public purse.
Boris only apologises in absolute extremis, and not about the things that matter.

Angela Raynor has apologised for her mistake - she expressed what she and many people feel, but she shouldn't have said it.
Yes, Labour have apologised for the anti semitism under Corbyn - look it up.....
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Mark wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 16:03 So we're in a race to the bottom, where anything goes ?
Nobody has suggested that. You have made it up.
Mark wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 16:03 Old fashioned, I know, but shouldn't we expect much more from our PM, in terms of setting a good example ?
The awkward point is, Boris was elected because he was a bit of a rogue. If democracy had been respected we would not have Boris as PM. The fact is we have a political and institutional class which deemed ordinary working people as a bit grubby, and probably thick and racist to boot. If our out of touch, spineless, and unremarkable politicians had their political compass pointing in the right direction, they would have sensed things brewing like;

1/ Rising inflation and stagnant wages
2/ The ladder of opportunity being taken away for the majority of people
3/ Most wealth being hoovered up by 10% of the population
4/ Mass, and I mean mass immigration, increasing competition for housing/resources whilst mercilessly pushing down wages.
5/ Allowing educational standards to fall that indigenous people could not compete with the immigrants, I could go on, but you get the gist.

And when after this political/institutional blindness, the great unwashed as you would view them, vote Brexit and when that vote is being stolen, the great unwashed vote Boris 'to get it done', you, the political class, the BBC et al, start jumping up and down screaming'
"he ate cake"
"he drank prosecco"
"he lied about the cake"
"he denied the prosecco"

It's just drivel.
Mark wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 16:03 Boris has spent his whole life as one big lie, and leads a corrupt government that swindles BILLIONS from the public purse.
Boris only apologises in absolute extremis, and not about the things that matter.
When are you going to realise that the British public voted for Boris as a great big metaphorical middle finger to the political establishment?
Mark wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 16:03 Angela Raynor has apologised for her mistake - she expressed what she and many people feel, but she shouldn't have said it.
Yes, Labour have apologised for the anti semitism under Corbyn - look it up.....
Oh i see.. Labour apologised one day and the next it was not anti semitic any more. Yeah right!
The Labour party is anti semitic to its core. Always has been always will.
And can I add cowards as well. Remember the Bradford/Rochdale/Rotherham grooming gangs. What did labour do when one of their MP's called out the stomach turning scandal?
She was made to apologise and stand down from her shadow cabinet role. Look it up and if you are a Labour supporter, hang your head in shame.

The labour party was supposed to be the working persons party, it was there to protect them, to speak up for them, to change policy for their benefit, and when the working people started speaking out about the things which made them poorer, it abandoned them,called them thick and racist.So they turned to Boris Johnson.
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As the saying goes, a lie goes round the world whilst the truth is tying its shoe laces

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... avile-slur

Boris knows that mud sticks. This IS a race to the bottom.
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Other biased opinions are available
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... d-traitor/
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Remember, Boris was the boy who wanted to be world king....
He will throw lies in any direction to retain the levers of power.
He must have been delighted that he can get a mob onto the streets to intimidate Starmer....
Remind us of anything....., Capitol Hill.....? a poor man's Trump....??

As an aside Stumuz...
Friends of mine travel regularly to ROI, via Holyhead.
They said that the ferries are ghostly quiet now (virtually no lorries) and Holyhead is dead compared to pre Brexit.
But Dublin port is busier than ever and has gone through a massive expansion.
They said that ROI/UK trade is massively down and freight that used to traverse the UK (Holyhead to Hull) now diverts around by sea.
They fear that the number of crossings will soon be drastically reduced....
Does that chime with your local knowledge/observations ?
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Mark wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 17:40 Remember, Boris was the boy who wanted to be world king....
He will throw lies in any direction to retain the levers of power.
He must have been delighted that he can get a mob onto the streets to intimidate Starmer....
Remind us of anything....., Capitol Hill.....? a poor man's Trump....??
Remember Boris is a result of failure by the political/institutional class. It is the equivalent of shouting at the little boy with his finger in the dam, when all the malcontent is behind the dam.
Mark wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 17:40 As an aside Stumuz...
Friends of mine travel regularly to ROI, via Holyhead.
They said that the ferries are ghostly quiet now (virtually no lorries) and Holyhead is dead compared to pre Brexit.
Holyhead was dead pre brexit. Holyhead was the busiest town in North Wales during the sixties and early seventies. Then we joined the EU and the rest is history.
Mark wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 17:40 But Dublin port is busier than ever and has gone through a massive expansion.
Yes, the Irish gov' is having to fund an alternative ferry route to France, longer journey, massively polluting. So net losers Irish taxpayer.
Mark wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 17:40 They said that ROI/UK trade is massively down and freight that used to traverse the UK (Holyhead to Hull) now diverts around by sea.
They fear that the number of crossings will soon be drastically reduced....
Does that chime with your local knowledge/observations ?
It's down by about 30%, mostly food. But whether that is Covid or brexit, I don't know. The concomitant pollution is being transferred to Dublin and the world by the extra dirty ferry to France. The residents of London Rd (entry to port) have never been happier with the decreased vehicle movements. As for jobs there are only two ferry companies. Irish ferries, a state company is eating the 30% loses of revenue. And Stena, the worst employer in town (rubbish pay, short term contracts, split shifts) so no loss there.

However, major local job creations since Brexit
New wind turbine factory in the port, the road king truck stop has been compulsory purchased by HMG as a multi agency border check facility. Approx 200 jobs created by border force, HMRC, Welsh Gov' at the border check. Massive investment in a specialised boat builder to make floating accommodation vessels to service the wind turbine industry nationwide. Holyhead hydrogen hub is getting the turf scraped as we speak. I could go on, but for Holyhead a massive boom.
Holyhead got sweet FA out of being the entry point for the 'land bridge' as the paddies used to call it.
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PS_RalphW wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 16:57 As the saying goes, a lie goes round the world whilst the truth is tying its shoe laces

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... avile-slur

Boris knows that mud sticks. This IS a race to the bottom.
He will not get away with this. The people in the park might have been fooled, but his own party is watching this and many of them must feel deeply ashamed to belong to the same political party as Johnson. He's finished. He has badly misjudged this.
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Stumuz2 wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 18:20 Remember Boris is a result of failure by the political/institutional class. It is the equivalent of shouting at the little boy with his finger in the dam, when all the malcontent is behind the dam.
Don't be confused Stumuz, Boris is part of the political/institutional class.
He's not a man of the people, or Churchill2, he's a self interested chancer.
You've been 'had'...
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Mark wrote: 08 Feb 2022, 23:05 Don't be confused Stumuz, Boris is part of the political/institutional class.
He's not a man of the people, or Churchill2, he's a self interested chancer.
You've been 'had'...
Ah! The Labour/Remoaner operative words.
You've been 'had'
You are 'confused'
Just add the 'thick' and 'racist' and you have most of the Labour/Remoaner lexicon.
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The question does need to be asked - why are parliamentary sketch writers finding it so difficult to provide copy these days?
Is it that the reality of things in the actuality is so ludicrous that it's no longer possible to chuck in a little bit of absurdity and have it recognised as such?
Gawd I don't know. Not so long ago the following would not have been taken seriously, but now how much would have to be removed to make this article totally accurate? Not much.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -to-rights
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Do you mean when BBC radio 4 said the following,
" There was a opened, and half eaten packet of crisps on the desk....
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