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Corbyn is a traditional International Socialist. That fits in really with Podemos and Syriza, but I would say he is to the left of their positions (particularly that of Syriza before they were elected).

He is to the left of Michael Foot.
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Corbyn is a throwback to the 1970's which is part of his appeal (he rejects neo-liberalism) and part of the problem.

Even if we wanted to, a reversion to 1970's social democracy is not feasible on the economic and energy base we operate under.

Nearly 50% of students go to university so abolishing tuition fees would cost around £100 billion. We should go back a generation when only 10% of students went to university and the rest did technical courses or went straight to work at 16/18.

I don't see any evidence that Corbyn understands the limits to growth issue or the need, in a post-growth economic world looming, to shrink the size of our bloated public sector state and welfare economy.

Without growth, our bureaucratic welfare systems are affordable and unsustainable as Greer has written about in his many books over the years. Instead of promising deficit blowing further pay rises to the army of public sector workers, we need a radical reform and devolution of public sector provision to the local level.

Similarly, Corbyn's support of letting refugees may be noble but will be national suicide in the era of mass migrations from north Africa and the Middle East (currently mainly economic migrants but climate refugees soon). Controlling our borders and keeping the migrants out is key.

I could go on.

Whilst some of his policies, including clamping down on corporate tax evasion, cutting Trident, developing an industrial strategy, "People's QE" and tax rises for the ultra-rich may make some sense and could work, if they are designed to prop up a unsustainable status quo they will be doomed to failure.

I suppose some of you will say that is better then the alternative but to me the support for Corbyn is driven by a desire to return to a pre-Great Recession era of perpetual growth and ever higher public sector spending binge.

That era is dead because growth is dying around the world.

The future is all about contraction not expansion.
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Lord Beria3 wrote:Nearly 50% of students go to university so abolishing tuition fees would cost around £100 billion.
At the moment the government pays on the last estimate 43% of the fees. To increase that to 100% would cost something like 11bn a year. There is, of course, the question as to what graduates do about the future graduate contributions they are committed to. There is also a question as to what is done about student support for living whilst studying.

Labour's strategy in the general election was to accept most of the planned cuts to benefits and focus on the middle classes.

I think there are real issues about freezing means tested benefits when we have inflation growing when it comes to day to day issues like food.

The figure of 100bn relates to scrapping the future contributions (aka debt)
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Theresa May as Miss Havisham.

I was browsing the comments sections on Conservative Home, and in a discussion about whether or not Theresa May needs to be replaced as Tory leader somebody posted this:
A new leader might be in no stronger a position but they would be a stronger leader.

As you correctly point out Mrs Mays successor will have a wafer thin majority, is at the mercy of different factions and may be unable to pass all but the blandest of legislation. They cannot (and should not) call a general election, but Mrs May will never lead another GE campaign yet she is notionally in charge of preparations.

The problems you enumerate apply just as much to the incumbent as to her replacement but retaining Mrs May exacerbates these problems by trapping us forever at ten o'clock on the night of June 7th when everything fell apart for her.
This sums it up perfectly. May is like Miss Havisham from Great Expectations. Gilted at the altar by the electorate, now living in a ruined mansion, looking like a cross between a skeleton and a ghost. The tory party is trapped at the moment the exit poll came out. They have enough power to remain trapped rather than in opposition, at least for the moment, but not enough power to escape the trap.

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Without growth, our bureaucratic welfare systems are affordable and unsustainable as Greer has written about in his many books over the years. Instead of promising deficit blowing further pay rises to the army of public sector workers, we need a radical reform and devolution of public sector provision to the local level.
I can't see that making things any more efficient.

The NHS, for example, is excellent vfm compared with other countries' healthcare systems and partly, at least, because it benefits from economies of scale.
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John Pilger is in fine form.

Read this latest and weep.
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Hospitals and schools, weddings and funerals have been attacked. In Ryadh, British military personnel are reported to be training the Saudis in selecting targets.
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Rudd resigns as home secretary after being shown to have been blatantly lying to parliament apparently trying to protect Teresa May from involvement in the deliberate policy to make it almost impossible for long term immigrants to prove their legal right to live in the UK
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New NI Minister is on a 'Learning Curve' :shock:

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“I didn’t understand things like when elections are fought, for example, in Northern Ireland – people who are nationalists don’t vote for unionist parties and vice versa. So, the parties fight for election within their own community.

“Actually, the unionist parties fight the elections against each other in unionist communities and nationalists in nationalist communities.�
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And then there's the commentary! OMG, the commentary!!
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Karen Bradley is probably pretty typical of most people in the UK and probably the rest of the world although that probably makes her a bad choice for NI Secretary.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:Karen Bradley is probably pretty typical of most people in the UK and probably the rest of the world although that probably makes her a bad choice for NI Secretary.
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Tory Party conference commentary on Grayling's speech: "the replacement bus service of oratory" :lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... arina-hyde
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Know your enemy: the tories are an inch away from total meltdown. Labour must hold its nerve.

ConservativeHome is where to lurk if you want to know what is going on inside the tory party at the level of the members and activists. And right now, they are on the brink of shattering into thousands of little bits. They know May's deal is dead as things stand, and they are united in their fear and loathing of Jeremy Corbyn, but that's where any semblance of agreement ends. If you're interested, read the comments, not just the articles. The articles are attempts to lead their thinking in one direction or another, but they are all pulling in completely different directions.

The largest minority are lobbying for no deal, but the majority think this will be disastrous. Their problem is that majority is itself shattering into many different conflicting groups. Some are reluctantly inching towards a referendum, but that minority can't agree on what sort of referendum, and others thing a referendum is the worst possible outcome. Some are hoping the EU will make a big concession, or a series of big concessions, to help May get her deal through, while others are telling them to stop believing in miracles. Some are pointing out that the correct constitutional path is for the government to fall (because it cannot govern), and that the tories are facing annihilation at an election.

May's deal is dead, but it is only the fact the corpse has not been issued with a death certificate that is preventing the conservative party from an implosion that is looking even worse for them than what happened to them in 1846.

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The talentless Mr Williamson, he of telling Putin to "shut up and go away" fame, has, himself been told to "shut up and go away".
Although the person telling him that is not Russian, but, in fact, his boss, Theresa May.

BBC: Gavin Williamson sacked over Huawei leak

He was also attempting to rattle China's sabres by boasting about Britain's lethality". They must be laughing their heads off.

A "Yes Man" for TM, he epitomises everything wrong with this current administration. Totally out of his depth and clueless.
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Breaking news of a full-scale fist fight at the tory conference. Police have arrested the treasurer of the 1922 committee (Geoffrey Clifton-Brown).
A ‘kerfuffle’ has reportedly broken out at the Conservative Party Conference between MPs, with police and paramedics at the scene.

The event, being held in Manchester, is believed to be on ‘lockdown’, following a ‘punch-up’.

According to political editor Arj Singh, the incident involved Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown MP.

He wrote on Twitter: ‘Confirmed from a Tory source: the incident involved Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown MP and there was some kind of kerfuffle’. ...

Journalist Tom Peck, who is believed to be at the scene, said police were involved on Twitter.

He wrote: ‘There has been an actual punch up inside the secure zone at the Tory Party conference. Police are involved.

‘In an hour, the Home Secretary Priti Patel will be on stage announcing more money for police stun guns. and saying: “To the criminals, ‘We are coming after you.’�
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