EU seed soveriegnty insanity

JavaScriptDonkey · Post by **JavaScriptDonkey** » 27 Apr 2013, 16:57

featherstick wrote:You're entitled to your opinion. I've been around food production, conventional and organic, for long enough to know that these regulations can be used to nobble the RealSeeds of this world if DEFRA or Bayer or Monsanto were so minded.

Whereas I think that the Monsantos of this world look at the tiny corner of the market that RealSeeds have and, after a quick look at the costs involved really couldn't justify getting involved at all. It's not their target market and there is precious little profit in for such large corporations.

We shall see. If the regulations pass and RealSeeds haven't been put out of business in 5 years you can re-consider your paranoia.

And vice versa of course.

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 27 Apr 2013, 17:22

JavaScriptDonkey wrote:We shall see. If the regulations pass and RealSeeds haven't been put out of business in 5 years you can re-consider your paranoia.

And vice versa of course.

It will be a bit late then!

sam_uk · Post by **sam_uk** » 27 Apr 2013, 19:23

Spent a bit of time this afternoon making this page slightly less crappy:

http://open-seeds.org/bad-seed-law/

Hopefully even easier to annoy the bureaucrats!

Featherstick: I nicked your email for the site as it was better than mine. Hope you don't mind.

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 27 Apr 2013, 20:27

Garden Organic also have a campaign against it, as it affects the Heritage Seed Library.
http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/news/ne ... php?id=907

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 27 Apr 2013, 20:38

Nice work Sam.

People on the right side of this debate may be pleased to learn that one of the speakers at the conference I'm organising next month is Peter Brinch of Open Pollinated Seeds.

sam_uk · Post by **sam_uk** » 27 Apr 2013, 21:46

JohnB wrote:Garden Organic also have a campaign against it, as it affects the Heritage Seed Library.
http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/news/ne ... php?id=907

Yes unfortunately as well as the image being broken the email address is incorrect to. 3/10

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 27 Apr 2013, 23:54

One of your e-mail addresses is broken too Sam!

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

Gunther.Oettinger@ec.europa.eu

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain ec.europa.eu by s-dc-edg008-q.mail.ec.europa.eu. [147.67.249.6].

The error that the other server returned was:
550 5.1.1 User unknown

But you can contact him here!
http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-201 ... dex_en.htm

I wonder how many people will e-mail every commissioner? I started losing the will to live towards the end, even though I edited the suggested e-mail so the only bit I had to change was Dear Commissioner xxx. But I stuck with it because it's so important

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woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 28 Apr 2013, 08:06

JSD regrettably I think you are being naive. This legislation is just like a thug standing outside your door saying "Nah mate, I ain't gunna do nuffin' just wanna talk, know wot I mean?"

I will write to the commissioners, but to those who have yet to write, keep it very short, don't waste words, keep it simple. The comissioners' first language is mostly not English, and they will be getting hundreds of emails. I suspect they may have filters which means they may not even see most of them.

sam_uk · Post by **sam_uk** » 28 Apr 2013, 09:23

JohnB wrote:One of your e-mail addresses is broken too Sam!

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

Gunther.Oettinger@ec.europa.eu

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain ec.europa.eu by s-dc-edg008-q.mail.ec.europa.eu. [147.67.249.6].

The error that the other server returned was:
550 5.1.1 User unknown
But you can contact him here!
http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-201 ... dex_en.htm

I wonder how many people will e-mail every commissioner? I started losing the will to live towards the end, even though I edited the suggested e-mail so the only bit I had to change was Dear Commissioner xxx. But I stuck with it because it's so important .

I think I fixed that one on Featherstick's advice.

Since you did it I have added a easy 'email them all' button!

Getting about 5-8 emails an hour at the moment from those that choose to CC me.

So I guess same again that don't?

<edit Gone up to 10-12 hour since. (90% Dutch users on iPads. Not sure why!)

Best

Sam

Thanks

Sam

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 28 Apr 2013, 19:45

It's been spreading around Facebook Sam. Three different people, including me, posted it in one group! I think I've got one Dutch friend, so it may have been him doing a good job!

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 28 Apr 2013, 22:50

I've just put it up on my page and all, and written a short "generic" letter to all the commissioners on that lizt.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 29 Apr 2013, 08:08

RenewableCandy wrote:I've just put it up on my page and all,.

Where?

sam_uk · Post by **sam_uk** » 29 Apr 2013, 10:44

I de-crappyfied the page slightly more: http://open-seeds.org/bad-seed-law/

Including adding a additional option to email MEP's if you haven't already done so: http://open-seeds.org/bad-seed-law/#MEP

See also the Transition Bolton analysis here: http://www.transitionlinks.org/?p=2445

featherstick · Post by **featherstick** » 29 Apr 2013, 10:52

My "odious proposals" have made it on the TT Bolton letter

sam_uk · Post by **sam_uk** » 29 Apr 2013, 12:08

featherstick wrote:My "odious proposals" have made it on the TT Bolton letter

Where would the internet be without good old cut'n paste!