What should the Govt do first?? (when TSHTF)

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emordnilap wrote:a car must rank quite low on the scale of efficient movers of bodies.
That's why undertakers use hearses, rather than normal cars :lol:.

Can you tell I'm pretty pissed off today? :wink:
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postie wrote: SO! What's you're top 3 things you'd do? :)
1) Rationing - to the degree where people's basic needs are met so they don't need to earn an income
2) Keep people busy (e.g. volunteering)
3) Round up all the pikeys ("put them in a field, and...." as per Kenny Everett) :P
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TEN POINT PLAN :)

1. Establish law and order and try to keep it; without this not much else will be achieved.
2. Ensure people have a clean water supply and basic emergency food rations (otherwise they’ll peg out or riot).
3. Rolling power cuts, prioritising key areas and services. If possible ensure everyone knows times/dates in advance.
4. Provide information for scared population; try to keep internet and radio going and a network of local contacts/experts.
5. Yes, I agree with Bandidoz - keep people busy – volunteering – lots to do!
6. Establish a system of rationing – energy, food, clothing etc.
7. Some sort of civil conscription programme might be necessary idc. "Report to your local/regional centre".
8. Implement ‘power down’ plan.
9. Establish a web of sustainable economies (easy peasy). It is likely that some heavily populated parts of Britain may have to be partly evacuated.
10. Education, education, education (minus T Blair).
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3 points?

...mmm... lets go for the top 100 things...
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Bandidoz wrote:
postie wrote: SO! What's you're top 3 things you'd do? :)
1) Rationing - to the degree where people's basic needs are met so they don't need to earn an income
Absolutely not. A man needs to earn an income to pay for his and his family's rations no matter how meager they may be. Without working for them he has no value.
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"What if the bomb goes off, what do I do??"
"Use your initiative" :D love it!!
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vtsnowedin wrote:
Bandidoz wrote:
postie wrote: SO! What's you're top 3 things you'd do? :)
1) Rationing - to the degree where people's basic needs are met so they don't need to earn an income
Absolutely not. A man needs to earn an income to pay for his and his family's rations no matter how meager they may be. Without working for them he has no value.
Better leave it to the women then.
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vtsnowedin wrote:
Bandidoz wrote:
postie wrote: SO! What's you're top 3 things you'd do? :)
1) Rationing - to the degree where people's basic needs are met so they don't need to earn an income
Absolutely not. A man needs to earn an income to pay for his and his family's rations no matter how meager they may be. Without working for them he has no value.
"Don't need to earn an income" does NOT mean "give up paid work". It simply lessens the scenario of the jobless who cannot make ends meet having to resort to crime.

The (2) "Keeping people busy" would be intended to provide people with some degree of self-esteem.
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Instituting programmes that have make work elements has a negative effect as FDR found out with the WPA back before WWII.
There is plenty of work that really needs doing on our aging infrastructure and energy wasting housing stock. Work on that rather then create raking leaves jobs that accomplish nothing and further erode the peoples well being.
The government need not try to run a program where they hire people to do this work as government is notoriously inefficient at this but instead should do what is necessary to get out of the way. Suspend zoning regulations, streamline permitting processes, change tax codes to penalize land owners that leave land idle where it could be leased out to people that need to grow their own food.
Imagine if you will putting a wind or tidal power project out to bid where the contract once awarded was the permit in it's entirety and no person , court, or bureaucrat could gum up the works.
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vtsnowedin wrote:Instituting programmes
That's very thoughtful, thanks :D
vtsnowedin wrote:Imagine if you will putting a wind or tidal power project out to bid where the contract once awarded was the permit in its entirety and no person , court, or bureaucrat could gum up the works.
<goes into a swoon> mmm...
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RenewableCandy wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:Instituting programmes
That's very thoughtful, thanks :D
vtsnowedin wrote:Imagine if you will putting a wind or tidal power project out to bid where the contract once awarded was the permit in its entirety and no person , court, or bureaucrat could gum up the works.
<goes into a swoon> mmm...
:oops: oomh, aahh, :shock: :oops: I'm glad you liked it.
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Imagine a world without wind power nimbies :D
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RenewableCandy wrote:"What if the bomb goes off, what do I do??"
"Use your initiative" :D love it!!
Tin hat... marshal law...

And a bomb found in the bowels of a bank. Timeless.
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Slight aside here. The government introduced the 'Localism bill' and now we're told they are introducing new planning rules to ease the path for developers. I sniff possible contradictions and good times for lawyers ahead.
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