Air France Flight 447 - a coverup?
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PowerSwitchJames
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Flight 447
Firstly may I pass on my heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of those who have perished. God rest their souls.
It seems that speculation is rife and is being whipped up by the media. Where no fact exists a convenient suggestion is added to the mix to reach ridiculous and unsubstantiated conclusions. Everything from missiles to meteorites have been mooted but if we stick to what is known then a more likely scenario may be postulated.
The plane was travelling at normal cruise speeds and cruise altitudes, no problems having been reported. No mayday calls were received, this does not mean that none were attempted however. An automatic message was sent by the onboard systems indicating a loss of electrical power and a loss of cabin pressure. This was clearly sudden and ultimately resulted in the loss of the aircraft - of this there is little doubt. If we remove extremely unlikely causes such as meteor strike or collision we are left with two: A) structural failure caused by weather/poor design quality or B) structural failure caused by an outside influence such as a bomb or a missile. Without evidence we cannot select either option but perhaps we can narrow down the likelihood of each if we note where the event occurred. If A was the cause then it would be a likely cause anywhere along the flightpath but if B was the cause then it would most likely occur where it did - beyond radar and over very deep water. For A to occur no window would be required but for B a very small window would exist. I have no evidence but I postulate that Flight 447 suffered a huge decompression caused by an explosive device of some sort. Having said that I am most likely wrong.
It seems that speculation is rife and is being whipped up by the media. Where no fact exists a convenient suggestion is added to the mix to reach ridiculous and unsubstantiated conclusions. Everything from missiles to meteorites have been mooted but if we stick to what is known then a more likely scenario may be postulated.
The plane was travelling at normal cruise speeds and cruise altitudes, no problems having been reported. No mayday calls were received, this does not mean that none were attempted however. An automatic message was sent by the onboard systems indicating a loss of electrical power and a loss of cabin pressure. This was clearly sudden and ultimately resulted in the loss of the aircraft - of this there is little doubt. If we remove extremely unlikely causes such as meteor strike or collision we are left with two: A) structural failure caused by weather/poor design quality or B) structural failure caused by an outside influence such as a bomb or a missile. Without evidence we cannot select either option but perhaps we can narrow down the likelihood of each if we note where the event occurred. If A was the cause then it would be a likely cause anywhere along the flightpath but if B was the cause then it would most likely occur where it did - beyond radar and over very deep water. For A to occur no window would be required but for B a very small window would exist. I have no evidence but I postulate that Flight 447 suffered a huge decompression caused by an explosive device of some sort. Having said that I am most likely wrong.
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emordnilap
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Re: Flight 441
For a minute's silence, maybe?mafiawl wrote:Everything from missiles to meteorites have been muted
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Hi mafiawl and welcome.
In case you are concerned about the tone of this thread, be assured that we are expressing gallows humour
In case you are concerned about the tone of this thread, be assured that we are expressing gallows humour
Air France Flight 441
Hi Ralph.
I must admit to not having read most posts but I was using the forum to think aloud
We all deal with this sort of thing in different ways - gallows humour is one way. It does not imply disrespect in my opinion so no worries.
I just hope that in the absence of evidence those who have been asked to investigate are not asked to speculate too much in the direction of weather being the cause - speculation of this nature always implies political interference. We shall see.
I must admit to not having read most posts but I was using the forum to think aloud
We all deal with this sort of thing in different ways - gallows humour is one way. It does not imply disrespect in my opinion so no worries.I just hope that in the absence of evidence those who have been asked to investigate are not asked to speculate too much in the direction of weather being the cause - speculation of this nature always implies political interference. We shall see.
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PowerSwitchJames
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We might yet find a peak oil link to this disaster.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... PB20090604
Air France jet was flying too slowly: report
If the jet was flying at a lower airspeed, it might have got caught out by a violent down draft and stalled, leading to loss of control followed by spin and mechanical break-up.
Could it have been flying slowly to save fuel? Mackay
(withouthotair) indicates that there is an optimum airspeed for a given altitude. It could be that the pilot chose a more efficient speed over the a safe one for the conditions.
We shall see (maybe).
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... ck0IwN9hrg
There are some clues here.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... PB20090604
Air France jet was flying too slowly: report
If the jet was flying at a lower airspeed, it might have got caught out by a violent down draft and stalled, leading to loss of control followed by spin and mechanical break-up.
Could it have been flying slowly to save fuel? Mackay
(withouthotair) indicates that there is an optimum airspeed for a given altitude. It could be that the pilot chose a more efficient speed over the a safe one for the conditions.
We shall see (maybe).
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... ck0IwN9hrg
There are some clues here.
Ten minutes later, a cascade of problems began: automatic messages to Air France HQ indicate the autopilot had disengaged, a key computer system switched to alternative power, and controls needed to keep the plane stable had been damaged. An alarm sounded indicating the deterioration of flight systems.
Three minutes after that, more automatic messages reported the failure of systems to monitor air speed, altitude and direction. Control of the main flight computer and wing spoilers failed as well. The last automatic message, at 11.14pm, signalled loss of cabin pressure and complete electrical failure - catastrophic events in a plane that was likely already plunging toward the ocean.
It seems that a stall could well be what they have gleaned from the final automatic messages ...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 430398.eceJean Serrat, a retired airline pilot, told Agence-France Presse: "If the BEA [accident investigation bureau] is making a recommendation so early, it is because they know very well what happened.
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Re: Air France Flight 447 - a coverup?
April's fool's day was a month and a half ago.Vortex wrote:THEY want you to believe that the loss of Air France Flight 447 was an accident.
However it's TOTALLY clear that a coverup is in progress.
Sources say that a F117 stealth fighter returned to Nellis AFB later that day MINUS ITS MISSILES!
So who - or what - worth shooting down was on that flight?
You read it here FIRST!
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