Identity Politics, Class Warfare and Labour's future

What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

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I'm embarrassed to have ever given jeremy corbyn the benefit of the doubt.

A parasite who has played the game his entire adult life and gotten richly rewarded for it.

My only defense is less he fooled me, more I fooled myself.
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Snail wrote:I'm embarrassed to have ever given jeremy corbyn the benefit of the doubt.

A parasite who has played the game his entire adult life and gotten richly rewarded for it.

My only defense is less he fooled me, more I fooled myself.
I voted for him in both leadership contests and got myself purged from the membership for my troubles.

I have voted Labour my entire life. Through thick and thin and even through the Tory-Lite years of Blair. All the while holding my nose on the basis that voting for Labour was a lot having to wipe your arse after taking a shit. That is to say, it was often unpleasant. But, the alternatives always seemed worse.

No more. Not getting fooled again.
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So, as well as nominating Bercow for the house of lords, Corbyn has now also nominated Tom Watson for that same house of Lords.

Corbyn fooled everyone. He even fooled me for a while. He is an establishment stooge. He presented himself as an honourable and decent man fighting against the establishment. He then triangulated from a back-bencher advocating freedom from the EU and NATO to a party leader advocating total submission to the EU. His supporters were baffled by his manoeuvres but thought he must be playing a clever game. He wasn't.

Corbyn, in these two House of Lords nominations, has cleared up any confusion. Apart from the unfathomably stupid or those possessed of an irredeemable idol worship, everyone can now see Corbyn for exactly what he is: a power-hungry sell-out liberal.

Indeed, unlike his older far more intelligent brother, Piers, he got shit A levels and dropped out of a shit degree in a shit university (London Metropolitan) to concentrate upon shit student politics - which he clearly never left.

Or, to put it in a single word - Wanker.
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Well put LJ. Corbyn seems to have entirely sold out to the liberal establishment.

Amazing stuff.

My forecasts (including the Labour leadership election) in my latest blog post.

https://forecastingintelligence.org/202 ... -the-peak/
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So Jess Phillips has pulled out. Yougov are now polling Starmer on 53% with RLB a long way behind. This looks over to me.
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Note quite yet UE.

Nandy is hardly known to the membership yet. Hustings have only started.

At this point in the race in 2015 Corbyn was around 20 to 1 on the odds market (his suport soared after the hustings start).

My assumption is that Starmer will probably win this but I think Nandy could do pretty well.
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https://www.channel4.com/news/who-do-ex ... is-johnson

Both Starmer and RLB do terribly with ex labour voters in this focus group.

Interestingly nandy and Philip's do very well.

Some surprising results from the focus group. Based on this i think nandy is now the biggest risk to the Tories not Starmer.
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Nandy would be the best choice of leader, no doubt about that. Doesn't mean she will win.
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UndercoverElephant wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:They are both problems and should be targeted.

Most of us here would disagree with your earlier point that because benefit fraud is allegedly relatively small it should be ignored.

Suggests you are out of touch with the ordinary person on the street. Most people I know get really pissed off about those who abuse the benefits system whilst they work their socks off.
Yes, they are both problems and should both be targeted. And we all know that the very rich get away with it, because the tory party doesn't want to target that particular problem. That's the issue here - one rule for the rich, and another for everyone else.
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Rebecca Long Baily is just another liberal, bourgeois, "woke" imbecile

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 37911.html
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Starmer overwhelming favourite to win.

My nandy bet was a failure. 8 quid up the wall.
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