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Labour Party Watch

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:01 am
by AutomaticEarth
Are Labour about to lurch to the left, and if so, is this really a bad thing?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... -live.html

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:05 am
by johnhemming2
Bad thing for whom?

At the time when the wheels are falling off Syriza and Podemos, Labour ally themselves with Syriza and Podemos.

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:21 am
by biffvernon
It's wheels falling off the planet we need to worry about. And the right wing are undoing the nuts.

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:24 am
by johnhemming2
The I would think the question as to the electability of a left wing opposition might concern you.

Re: Labour Party Watch

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:30 am
by Little John
AutomaticEarth wrote:Are Labour about to lurch to the left, and if so, is this really a bad thing?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... -live.html
ooooohhh

"lurch"

not a nice word is it...... :lol:

Meanwhile, our very own Mr Cameron has been using words like "home front" when launching his new "blame the darkies/towel-heads (insert your scapegoat of choice here)" offensive.

The propaganda front is certainly hotting up

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:38 am
by AutomaticEarth
not a nice word is it...... Laughing
Alright, move to the left then :lol:

My point was really whether Labour was looking to align themselves more the SNP etc, as the centre ground seemed not be a very good place for them at the moment.

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:43 am
by emordnilap
It'll be temporary. They have to face the corporate behemoth that is really in charge.

It's going to take much, much more than a change of face in a minor political party to protect us from climate change, pollution and resource depletion.

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:34 am
by johnhemming2
The corporate behemoth is often called mathematics.

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:30 pm
by 3rdRock
The Labour Party and the LibDems for that matter, are facing a very bleak existence for decades to come.

The Tories have successfully convinced a gullible public (via repeated MSM articles and programs) that the unemployed, the sick and the disadvantaged are responsible for a financial crisis which we all know, was actually engineered by the banks and corporations.

It is precisely because the public at large have unfortunately bought into Osborne's mantra, that any left of centre or socialist opposition finds itself out in the cold.

It pains me to say it, but the likes of Harriet Harman are increasingly representative of a new breed of aspirational Labour Party supporters who have become disillusioned with traditional party values.

This trend will only be reversed when the sheeple wake up to the fact that corporations now control every aspect of their lives and have successfully reversed the hard won, working class gains that have been made during the past 100 years or so. Don't hold your breath.

As western economies go into further decline, for all of the reasons which we have continually aired on this forum, the truth may begin to dawn on the public that they have been drawn into a 'game show' from which there is no escape. By that time, any viable opposition party will have torn itself apart and completely lost sight of any core values.

Welcome to the future - it doesn't look bright. :(

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:40 pm
by PS_RalphW
johnhemming2 wrote:The corporate behemoth is often called mathematics.
As long as 30 years ago it was obvious to me that the difference between science and economics was that scientists try to fit their mathematical models to the physical world, whilst economists try to fit the physical world to their mathematical models.

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:45 pm
by emordnilap
3rdRock wrote:Welcome to the future - it doesn't look bright. :(
There is a vast amount the individual can do - and live a fulfilling, exciting, contented active life - but it doesn't fit in with what people have been conditioned to expect; laziness plays a major part too.

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:22 pm
by 3rdRock
emordnilap wrote:
3rdRock wrote:Welcome to the future - it doesn't look bright. :(
There is a vast amount the individual can do - and live a fulfilling, exciting, contented active life - but it doesn't fit in with what people have been conditioned to expect; laziness plays a major part too.
Agreed. I'm in my early sixties, retired, financially independent, active and in good health.

However, my overriding concern is for the next and subsequent generations. They've been handed a poisoned chalice, of our making, from which there will be little chance of escape. Their aspirations for career, housing, independence and quality healthcare are unlikely to be met.

On a more selfish note, it also troubles me that their dissatisfaction will start to overflow and impact on my life. I'm a baby boomer - I'll be to blame!

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:47 pm
by biffvernon
3rdRock wrote: The Tories have successfully convinced a gullible public
Let's not forget that they only got 24% of the electorate to vote for them.

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:50 pm
by biffvernon
PS_RalphW wrote:
johnhemming2 wrote:The corporate behemoth is often called mathematics.
As long as 30 years ago it was obvious to me that the difference between science and economics was that scientists try to fit their mathematical models to the physical world, whilst economists try to fit the physical world to their mathematical models.
Varoufakis (to stray into another discussion) points out that he was a statistician, not an economist. He was very critical of much that happened in university economics departments and set about, with others, to make changes. Changes have happened, which is why academic economics is not what it used to be.

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:57 pm
by UndercoverElephant
johnhemming2 wrote:The corporate behemoth is often called mathematics.
It's a corporate behemoth. Mathematics is unavoidable. There is nothing unavoidable about the pseudo-capitalist corporate kleptocracy that currently runs Planet Earth.