boycott Israel, buycott Palestine

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biffvernon wrote:Seems the Guardian didn't like the idea that Israel wanted Palestinian gas.

Good bloke, Nafeezz Ahmed

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As in: http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/vie ... hp?t=24964
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Hope this is one of several dominos
Denmark is the latest EU nation set to hold a vote to recognize Palestine.
Netanyahu's comments are (as usual) bizarre.
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emordnilap wrote:Hope this is one of several dominos
Denmark is the latest EU nation set to hold a vote to recognize Palestine.
It might well be
Four political parties that form Belgium’s government have reportedly agreed to recognize the Palestinian state, despite diplomatic pressure from Israel and its allies. The recognition will happen “at a moment deemed appropriate.”
In October the British parliament voted in favor of a symbolic move to recognize Palestine as an official state, answering impassioned pleas by pro-Palestinian ministers and activists.

Irish lawmakers joined the initiative in November.
And again
French lawmakers have voted 339 to 151 in favour of a symbolic motion to recognise Palestine as a state.

The National Assembly's vote on Tuesday is likely to raise domestic political pressure on the French government to be more active on the issue.
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:shock: why should I want isreal to be defeated and muslims to win .

Personally I think neither side is my friend,
let them fight it out
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Anyone on this forum who supports genocide need not be taken seriously in anything they write.

Fight fascism in real life yes but people, ignore it here.

Such posters are unworthy of response.
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:shock: People on both sides would like to get rid of the other side basically they both want the same piece of earth, the isrealis used the second world war to get the sympathy that allowed them to conquer what is now isreal, they used american aid they have lots of power in the west so do people like the saudis .

Who knows which side will win long term maybe the conflict will just keep on for hundreds of years you have had conflict in the holyland a hell of a long time the reconquest of spain lasted 800 years .

Could go on longer than that what isreal is is one of the few places conquered by islam that for a while at least isnt controlled by islam, spain is the other one I can think of .

I dont think your going to get the two sides to share, so you either back the genocide of the arabs or the jews, or do what I do which is say Its not my fight .

I went to anti Iraq war protests, I wouldnt have sent a army to anywhere in the middle east actually what I'd do is make a deal we stay out of islamic majority countrys you take your muslims back . if the jews would all leave and head off to their state that would be nice too . I'd sell both sides weapons wouldnt give either aid and leave them too it . no refugees no outside intervention the stonger more lucky get to keep what they can hold .

This wont happen but overall you could have less deaths and unhappiness in the long term
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biffvernon wrote:Seems the Guardian didn't like the idea that Israel wanted Palestinian gas.

Good bloke, Nafeezz Ahmed

http://www.patreon.com/nafeez
Why the Guardian Axed Nafeez Ahmed
Let’s be clear: the Guardian is now a raucous market-place of opinion – its model for monetising the mostly voluntary labour of desperate journalists, writers, academics and lobby groups. The paper calls it “Comment is Free” – free for the Guardian, that is.

But it is certainly not “free” in the sense of “free expression”, as I know only too well from my many run-ins with its editors, both from my time on staff there and from my later experiences as a freelance journalist (more below). The Guardian’s website covers a spectrum of “moderate”, meaning conventional, opinion from right to left, with a couple of genuinely progressive staff writers – currently Seumas Milne and Owen Jones – there to offer the illusion of real pluralism.
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Israel, as an intimate ally of the US, is therefore protected from profoundly critically scrutiny, much as the US and its western allies are. It is okay to criticise individual western policies as flawed, especially if done so respectfully, but not to suggest that the whole direction of western foreign policy is flawed
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:shock: yup doesnt surprise me how fast the guardian dropped him, I have a interest in banned books or suppressed points of view and can think of a number or really impressive retractions .

If something is really important to jewish or isreali interests lots of people fold or get marginalised :shock:
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And now racists are blaming Muslims for pub closures! Like, seriously, dude?
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emordnilap wrote:And now racists are blaming Muslims for pub closures! Like, seriously, dude?
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no its the morman or salvation armys fault,

on a serious note no group are totally bad and the majority of british muslims are not blowing themselves up or chopping peoples heads off .

You had two guys jailed today for 13 years for fighting for isis and how they were caught was their familys informed on them . The man who did the most to expose rotherham was asian those are good people

This doesnt make me think large numbers of muslims in the uk is a good thing , personally I would pay people to leave or cut up the country and give up london .

But this doesnt mean I dislike people on a individual basis its pretty rare for me to find a person I don't like most people are ok , I think its to do with numbers and how distant people are to you .
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emordnilap wrote:And now racists are blaming Muslims for pub closures! Like, seriously, dude?
And likewise traffic congestion. What will immigrants be blamed for next? Oh, I know, helping to get in a government more right-wing than ever. :roll: :lol:

Here's a cracking little nugget I hadn't read when it was 'news':
UKIP councilor David Silvester once claimed winter flooding across Britain stemmed from the legalization of gay marriage,
Did he claim it was 'opening the floodgates'?
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A belated, symbolic but welcome gesture
The Dáil has agreed a motion officially recognising the State of Palestine and the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination.
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emordnilap wrote:Make sure you also buycott Palestinian products (e.g. Zaytoun)
An article by Cathi Pawson, a founder of Zaytoun
Olives are traditionally produced without the use of pesticides or chemicals – these are banned from entry to Palestine anyway, and are also too expensive to buy – so organic certification was a possibility. We wanted to build a case for Fairtrade certification, and knew the unique flavour of the oil was attractive to the gourmet market. We just had to convince the farmers it was worth the paperwork.

Through frequent visits we built up trust. We introduced customers to the farmers on annual trips, and brought farmers to the United Kingdom as well. Seeing their oil on shop shelves, they began to understand the competition and why the oil needed to look good to stand out.
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Zaytoun dates are to die for!! And buying them is also one in the eye for the Zionists.
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