End of the Minimum Wage?

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End of the Minimum Wage?

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So... Conservative back bencher suggests that disabled / less able people should be able to take jobs below the minimum wage.

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maudibe wrote:So... Conservative back bencher suggests that disabled / less able people should be able to take jobs below the minimum wage.

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What do you think?
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The mask slipped a bit. Nasty Party.
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I think it sucks.

That is why it is called 'minimum wage'. The minimum below which you can not go, by law.

It's whole purpose is to stop people profiteering by anothers misfortune.
To stop the piss being taken, if you like.
To stop sweat shops.
To stop workhouses.
To stop slavery.
To stop abuse.

And on a positive note, to encourage business to make the most of someone's ability, give them respect and self sufficiency.

That's what I think.
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Yeah but they're only flids. Why would you pay them anything? And besides, it's what they want themselves.
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Incredibly there exists a phenomenon known as "spazzing", in which door-to-door salespeople pretend to have learning difficulties so you're more likely to buy the things they're selling, because you think it's in a good cause.

I read it in the Big Issue ages ago.
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Would you pay someone £10 an hour to do your shopping?

So why do you expect anyone else too?

The minimum wage ignores the fact that some people simply arent worth much.
Which is why we're rapidly moving towards a situation where moset of the country has never been employed.

I've worked for below minimum wage, this month, I'll probably do it again.
Because my remuneration isnt just "money", I also get taught some mad skills that I can use to get better pay in the future.

But hey, Its not you who has to spend your life unemploywed because you cant get anyone to give you a chance.
Feel good, your saving people from the indiginity of low paid work. Your inflicting the greater indignity of a life time of unemployment, but what the hell....
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DominicJ wrote:some people simply arent worth much.
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biffvernon wrote:
DominicJ wrote:some people simply arent worth much.
While others have no values at all. :evil:
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Biff, Mustard
Get *your* f***ing wallet out and employ someone you self centred twits.

But I forget, you dont actualy do anything, you just sit on the sidelines and command everyone else to follow your badly thought out plans

Every year, hundreds of thousands of people finish compulsary education and join the dole ques.
When you are prepared to employ every single one of them, you can have your opinion without being a hypocrite.
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Generously passing over the expletive, could someone please explain what Dom is on about?
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:shock: ouch
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Post by goslow »

I don't have the possibility or desire to pay anyone to work for me at the moment. If I did, e.g. a cleaner, I suppose I would try to pay rather more than the minimum wage. The minimum wage is less than a living wage, everyone acknowledges that.

I suppose another relevant question for those of us that are not employers is:

if companies that supply us with food etc make the commitment to pay their lowest salaried workers a living wage, rather than the minimum wage, would we be prepared to pay at least a share of that extra cost as customers?
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Yet another topic that is turning into abuse. :(
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I stated a fact, some people simply are not worth £8+ an hour.
They're skills do create sufficient value.

If you believe I am wrong, that you canin fact extract value in excess of £8 an hour from any worker, the simple method, would be to ****ING employ them!

As I said.
Biff likes to sit on the sidelines telling everyone else what to do, but he's never actualy step up and run a business. He just wants to sit and tell everyone else how to run theirs.

Go Slow
I don't have the possibility or desire to pay anyone to work for me at the moment.
Which is a polite way of saying the Labour of a "NEET" is worth nothing.
If you arent willing to pay someone £8 an hour to clean your house, that means you dont think a cleaner is worth £8 an hour to you.

I just spotted a 40" flat screen tv for £300, great deal?
I didnt buy it, so for me, today, no.
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