Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

Moderator: Peak Moderation

User avatar
Mr. Fox
Posts: 669
Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:09 am
Location: In the Dark - looking for my socks

Post by Mr. Fox »

woodburner wrote:People who cannot take part in a discussion post loads of words, but all the same, in many places. This is called SPAM.
Nope. It's called 'copypasta'. ;)

Sushil gets points for consistency, if nothing else. 8)

Image
User avatar
sushil_yadav
Posts: 189
Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:21 pm
Location: Delhi , India

Post by sushil_yadav »

..........
Rio Olympics and the dying planet.........Stop chasing world records.........Start worrying about the world........Athletes are winning, the planet is losing the game.........Forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere have been destroyed.........Millions of species have been decimated........The planet is dying and gasping for last breath........But citizens of industrial society don't even seem to notice because they are being drugged by sports and entertainment industry 24x7, 365 days of the year.

Excessive entertainment is a disease and insanity of industrial society which has barely existed for hundred years.........There was very little entertainment in pre-industrial society when industrial consumer goods and services did not exist.

Sports industry is one of the biggest destroyers of environment.........Millions of trees and millions of acres of fertile soil have been destroyed to build hundreds of thousands of stadiums for hundreds of sports in this world.

Production of millions of tonnes of sports equipment has destroyed environment.

Sports industry is a big consumer of electricity whose production has destroyed environment.

Sports industry has promoted transportation industry and tourism industry which are big destroyers of environment.

Sports industry has promoted advertising industry which is the biggest promoter of consumerism.........Production of consumer goods has destroyed environment.

All industrial activity is interlinked and interdependent........Every industry promotes other industries.......All industrial activity has collectively destroyed the planet.
.
.

Industrialization = Decadence, depravity and unrestrained pleasure chasing.
Industrialization = Millions of pubs, bars, restaurants and parties.
Industrialization = Millions of tonnes of alcohol and designer drugs.
Industrialization = Pornography Industry, Film Industry, Fashion Industry, Sports Industry, Music and Entertainment Industry.

Industrialization = Hedonism raised to the power of infinity.

Industrial society is engaged in two main activities.........Destruction and Entertainment.

Work Hard.........Play Hard.
Destroy Hard......Enjoy Hard.
.
.

Man has spent more than 99.9% of his time on earth in non-industrial societies.

Man lived in forests for hundreds of thousands of years........Man lived in villages in agrarian society for 10,000 years........Man has lived in industrial society for just about 100 years during which he has destroyed the entire planet.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.

For millions of years there was just one main activity / occupation on earth - "Searching for Food" / "Producing Food"..........Urban population of industrial society is the anomaly that is producing consumer goods and services.

Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.
Stop Education.........Close down Universities.
Stop Urban Work..........Close down the Cities.
.....................
woodburner
Posts: 4127
Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:45 pm

Post by woodburner »

Morning Sushil, haven't heard from you for a while.

So there is a problem with industry? That's something we don't hear very often.
To become an extremist, hang around with people you agree with. Cass Sunstein
Little John
Posts: 8683
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:07 am
Location: UK

Post by Little John »

woodburner wrote:Morning Sushil, haven't heard from you for a while.

So there is a problem with industry? That's something we don't hear very often.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
User avatar
sushil_yadav
Posts: 189
Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:21 pm
Location: Delhi , India

Post by sushil_yadav »

We are living in a world where people cannot even solve personal and family problems and they are trying to solve national and international problems........We are living in a world where people cannot even control their body weight and need drugs to control their minds and they are trying to solve global problems........We live in a world where even marriage agreements are not working and people are trying to make international agreements work.

The planet is dying and gasping for last breath.

All problems of industrial society are unsolvable because industrialization itself is the cause of problems.......All problems of industrial society have either been created by industrialization or worsened by industrialization.........Problems of industrial society can go away only when industrial society goes away.

Solution does not come from solving the problem.
Solution comes from not creating the problem.
When you don't create the problem the solution happens automatically.

smaller the system the more stable it is.
larger the system the more unstable it is.

Industrial society is ungovernable, unmanageable, unsustainable.

Industrial society is committing mass suicide after mass murder on earth.......Industrial man is decimating himself after decimating millions of land and marine species........Millions of other species destroyed environment only for food.......Industrial man has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter PLUS thousands of consumer goods and services.......Industrial man has destroyed Exponential Extra Environment.......Industrial society has barely existed for hundred years during which it has destroyed forests, rivers, oceans, atmosphere and decimated millions of species.

Everything that is happening in industrial society is wrong.......Every single thing.......Industrial society is ungovernable, unmanageable, unsustainable......Industrial society must be eradicated, abolished, dismantled immediately.
.
.

Discussion and debate is the final madness of industrial society........All discussion and debate is futile........Millions of pages of debate on thousands of issues is a disease and insanity of industrial society that invented the print industry, radio, television and internet.........Millions of pages of debate is another toxic waste of industrial society which has also produced millions of tonnes of plastic waste, chemical waste, gaseous waste and e-waste.

There is no point in taking up one problem at a time and then engaging in endless debate on it when there are thousands of problems in industrial society.

Topic after topic.......Citizens of industrial society will discuss one topic for a few minutes, then they will take up another topic, then a third one, and so it goes on forever 24x7, 365 days of the year........When people discuss one problem they behave as if it is the only problem in the world.

Industrial society will debate itself to destruction.
Industrial society will debate itself to extinction.

Debate cannot solve problems.......Debate itself is one of the biggest problems of industrial society........Debate is endless.......Debate goes on forever.

There was very little discussion in pre-industrial society.......It was primarily limited to face-to-face interaction on local issues.

Man was not created to read, hear or watch national and international news.......Man was not created to debate national and international news.......For 10,000 years before industrialization, man lived in small villages in agrarian society where he would only hear news of events that happened within a radius of a few kilometers from the village.......It would take months and years for news from far away places to reach the village if it reached at all.

Industrialization came with hundreds of destructive industries........News industry is one of them.
.
.

Living in industrial society is not even an option.......For 10,000 years before industrialization man lived in villages in agrarian society........That was the limit for man on earth.

The entire industrial system is criminal.........Industrial governments are criminal.........Industrial citizens are criminal........Urban population of industrial society is criminal........Urban jobs, professions and activities are criminal.
.
User avatar
emordnilap
Posts: 14631
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:36 pm
Location: here

Post by emordnilap »

Welcome again s_y.

Enjoy life!
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
woodburner
Posts: 4127
Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:45 pm

Post by woodburner »

Hi sushil, happy new year. I think your best course of action is to have a telephone call with donald trump. He thinks about all the things you mention.
To become an extremist, hang around with people you agree with. Cass Sunstein
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin
Posts: 12490
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:35 am
Location: Newbury, Berkshire
Contact:

Post by kenneal - lagger »

I'm surprised that he hasn't topped himself yet!!
Action is the antidote to despair - Joan Baez
User avatar
emordnilap
Posts: 14631
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:36 pm
Location: here

Post by emordnilap »

kenneal - lagger wrote:I'm surprised that he hasn't topped himself yet!!
Trump's not like that. :lol:
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
User avatar
sushil_yadav
Posts: 189
Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:21 pm
Location: Delhi , India

Post by sushil_yadav »

.......
Stop saying 1% has ruined the world......Stop saying 1% is running and controlling the world......It is 50% not 1%.......50% has destroyed the planet.......Urban population of industrial society has destroyed the planet.

Who is running Monsanto, Nuclear Industry, Oil Industry, Banking Industry, Weapon Industry, Pharmaceutical Industry, Automobile Industry, Airline Industry and all other industries and corporations that have destroyed the planet???.......The farmer is not running them.

Billions of urban people are running all the Mega Corporations of the world.........Billions of urban people are employed in Mega Corporations.........Billions of urban people are getting salaries and packages from Mega Corporations.

Billions of urban people are running millions of big and small industries and corporations that have destroyed the planet.

The entire urban population of industrial society is criminal........The 1% that comes from this urban population is even more criminal.
.
.

For hundred years the urban population of industrial society has been fooling the non-urban population with figures and terminologies.......Progress, Development, Growth Rate, Economy Rate, GDP.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.

Urban jobs and professions have destroyed the planet.
The entire urban population of industrial society is criminal.
The crime goes unchecked because 50% of population is now urban.
The crime goes unchecked because urban population is running the system.
.
.

For millions of years there was just one main activity / occupation on earth - "Searching for Food" / "Producing Food"..........Urban population of industrial society is the anomaly that is producing consumer goods and services.

For millions of years, both adults and the offspring of millions of animal species "searched for food".

For hundreds of thousands of years in hunter_gatherer society both adults and children "searched for food".

For 10,000 years in agrarian society, most of the adults and children "produced food"

In industrial society which has only existed for 100 years, urban adults are producing consumer goods and services in industries and corporations..........Their children go to schools and universities where they learn how to produce and sell consumer goods in future.
.
woodburner
Posts: 4127
Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:45 pm

Post by woodburner »

Hey there s_y_baby. It's been around six weeks since your last posting of your oft repeated opinion (with slight changes). You really ought to have a chat with donny trump. Give him a few pointers, I'm sure he'd like some help.
To become an extremist, hang around with people you agree with. Cass Sunstein
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin
Posts: 12490
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:35 am
Location: Newbury, Berkshire
Contact:

Post by kenneal - lagger »

In industrial society in the West the farmer is only about 10% or less of the population, Sushil. What is destroying the world at the moment is the manufactured demand for useless goods in the West which is being following in the developing world and the rapid population increase in the developing world. Population has been falling in the West since the 1950s and economic growth has been bolstered by immigration from the developing world.

Despite this mass emigration population is still rising in developing countries because men there are concerned to prove their masculinity by having a large family. When women are educated and economically active they have smaller families as has happened in the west. Many men in the developing world are against female education because they want to keep their little lady at home with the many children, looking after the house: they cannot take the competition from a successful female.

The problem with the world is the psychotic greed of the 0.1% of mainly men, not the 1%, and the rampant male in the developing world. The former is driving ludicrous levels of production and the latter is driving ludicrous levels or reproduction in order to boost their fragile egos all to the disbenefit of the world that we live in.
Action is the antidote to despair - Joan Baez
User avatar
emordnilap
Posts: 14631
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:36 pm
Location: here

Post by emordnilap »

I'm pretty sure this is a rant

Someone got out of bed the wrong side.
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin
Posts: 12490
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:35 am
Location: Newbury, Berkshire
Contact:

Post by kenneal - lagger »

He doesn't mention the sprawling population which is the driver of the sprawling everything else! Perhaps Sushil should be advocating the castration of every other Indian male to get the population growth down to zero. If India instituted, and strictly policed, a one child policy as China has I might have some sympathy with what he says.

In the 1950s the population of the UK was about 50 million and steady or even falling. To promote the economic growth that he, and I and many others on this board, so hate our government started mass migration from, among other places, the Indian sub continent. The UK population is now about 63 million and rising. So now the UK is populated by at least 20% immigrants many from the sub continent. Meanwhile the subcontinent continues to increase its population and increase its consumption while Sushil berates us for the effects of industrialisation.

Africa is also set to double its population in the next 50 years so we have a similar problem there. If Indian and African men adopted a similar policy to European men we would have a falling population and things ecological might stand a chance.

So come on Sushil, instead of preaching to us come back and argue some valid points with us please.
Action is the antidote to despair - Joan Baez
User avatar
PS_RalphW
Posts: 5863
Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:09 am
Location: Cambridge

Post by PS_RalphW »

India had a centralised policy of population control in the 1970s. It was heavily corrupt, and resulted in many men being sterilised without their permission, and led to a huge scandal and backlash. It does not help that India has a highly patriarchal society that sets high store by the number of (male) children a family has. Gender selective abortion or infanticide is rife, as in China.

Africa is a not homogeneous. Some countries/cultures/tribes are enlightened, the largest (and rapidly growing) are worse than India.
Post Reply