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Mark wrote: 18 Jan 2022, 00:26 We'll see......, but I suspect that the pressure on the Union will also increase significantly once the Queen dies...
Plenty of countries poorer than Scotland have gone it alone - Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro, Eritrea, Slovakia, East Timor, Kosovo, South Sudan to name a few....
But not many of those countries have, as a major reason for going it alone, the desire to not go it alone but to rejoin the EU!

Not many countries want to leave a small pond for a larger one just so that they can become an even smaller fish in an even larger pond!
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At least 10 more letters of no confidence were delivered from red wall Tories after a meeting yesterday, One mp defected to Labour today, and another openly called for Johnson to go today at PMQ's

Yet I cannot see any Tory minister wanting the job with the current economic outlook.
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Tory MP has just defected to Labour. Nobody was expecting that. Has a majority of 402 in the suburbs of Manchester.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-60046632

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Johnson says he will contest any vote of no confidence and will lead the party into the next election

He is toast
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Peston:
BREAKING: Sue Gray will not publish her partygate report while the Met police investigate. So it will not be published this week and probably not for many weeks. This is some kind of reprieve for the prime minister. She will continue her investigation though
Beyond ridiculous! What a state we're in when a police investigation comes as a 'reprieve'.
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clv101 wrote: 25 Jan 2022, 10:59 Peston:
BREAKING: Sue Gray will not publish her partygate report while the Met police investigate. So it will not be published this week and probably not for many weeks. This is some kind of reprieve for the prime minister. She will continue her investigation though
Beyond ridiculous! What a state we're in when a police investigation comes as a 'reprieve'.
Indeed. Waiting for the report to be published doesn't make the story go away. It just delays the inevitable, while (inevitably) more stories trickle out.

Either the Met issue fines to Downing Street (to who, exactly?), in which case it is no big deal apart from looking really bad (can it look any worse than it does already, though?). Or the Met says there is insufficient evidence to issue the penalty notices, at which point Cressida Dick is left with about as much credibility as Johnson.
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Cressida Dick and Boris Johnson were made for each other..... ??
He should dump Carrie - Caress-a Dick-Johnson and Boris Johnson-Dick would be a heavenly love mach..... :D
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I had quite forgotten this was the same Dick who master minded
the police killing of an innocent Brazilian electrician on a tube train in
2005 . Such is the nature of the meritocracy operating in the Met that
she subsequently gets appointed commissioner and given a gong. Well done!

She obviously knows where lots of bodies are buried. So yes Dick Johnson
or Johnson Dick a match surely made in heaven.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60124162
Why are police investigating No 10 parties?

The commissioner said the Met would not normally investigate past breaches of Covid-19 regulations.

But she said retrospective investigations were carried out for "the most serious and flagrant type of breach" where there was evidence and certain criteria were met, including:

there was evidence that those involved knew, or ought to have known that what they were doing was an offence

where not investigating would significantly undermine the legitimacy of the law
Since when was not knowing the law accepted as a reason for being forgiven for breaking it?
And how is it even possible that those who did this didn't know it was an offence?

You couldn't make this stuff up. If it had appeared in an episode of Yes Prime Minister it would have been dismissed as absurd.
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Yes prime minister was on bbc4 at 8:30 this evening. Very boring episode not a patch on real life.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60166997
The Metropolitan Police has asked senior civil servant Sue Gray to make "minimal reference" to events they are investigating in her report.

Ms Gray's inquiry into lockdown parties in Downing Street had been due to be released this week.

But the Met has asked her to leave out details of parties they are investigating for Covid rule-breaking.

In a statement, it said it wanted to "avoid any prejudice to our investigation".

On Tuesday, Met Commissioner Cressida Dick announced the force had launched its own inquiry after being handed information by Sue Gray.

It has since been unclear how much the Gray report would be able to say while a police investigation was under way.

The Met insists it has not asked for Ms Gray's report to be delayed.

In a statement on Friday, the force added it had not asked for "any limitations" on what her report says about gatherings that are not being investigated by its officers.
This is hilarious. So after all the build-up and anticipation - all the "we must wait for Sue Gray's report", we are now told that the police have asked for that report only to cover events that aren't being investigated for rule-breaking. Which means by definition she cannot mention any of the wrongdoing she was specifically supposed to be looking into.

I mean...what???
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Government says it will publish a heavily redacted version of the Gray report, with all the events being investigated by the Met left out, after a request from the metropolitan police (ie, Cressida Dick) which has no authority in law, and very hard to justify when no offense which could lead to a jury trial is even suspected.
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If the Tories, the establishment, the police are able and willing to undertake such obfuscating convolutions over the No.10 parties, how can the official Covid19 inquiry have any credibility? Or any other aspect of this government?
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Conservative minister resigns in anger over Covid fraud (£4.3bn)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60117513

Covid-19: Government writes off £8.7bn of pandemic PPE:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60176283

So that's £13 BILLION down the toilet just this week.....
And they claim to be the Party of fiscal responsibility.....
What a shower.
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How bad does this have to get before the tories remove him? It could not be more obvious that there is no way back for him.
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