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Fracking is over in the UK

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"For now".
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emordnilap wrote:"For now".
I doubt it will be resurrected. Too much opposition and potential long-term problems for insufficient reward.
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Much will depend on the result of the INEOS planning application. If that and the subsequent appeal are refused that will be the end. If they are not refused we will see the whole thing start up again and hopefully new seismicity will stop the thing again.
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gasification of N Sea coal by controlled burning will be the next thing - see Centralia..
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Anything will be possible if not doing it means bellies will be empty or homes will be cold.
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UndercoverElephant wrote:
emordnilap wrote:"For now".
I doubt it will be resurrected. Too much opposition and potential long-term problems for insufficient reward.
Indeed.
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If you weren't so parochial, RGR, you would know that social, geographic and geological conditions are vastly different in the UK to the US. We are a very much more densely populated country in the UK and the geological conditions are very different to the US as well. We have very fractured conditions in the UK so that any injection is likely to find a fault and cause an earthquake, even if it is only a small one. And because of the crowded nature of the country that quake is almost bound to affect an urban area and hundreds of thousands of people.

Why should we despoil our countryside to obtain gas which the US produces and is willing to export at below cost price? We could save ourselves more money and boost our economy by insulating our homes properly and saving about 30% of our gas usage.
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And by generating more electricity from renewables instead of by burning gas.
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I suggest that the natural gas supplies that are in the ground in the UK are better left where they are for now and perhaps for a few decades. Like a gold reserve it will increase in value where it sits and one day, when world supplies available to you from importation have declined and prices climbed, you can tap it then using technology that as yet does not exist or at least not as well developed now as it will be by then. Perhaps by then you would not need it merely as a source of heat having built enough renewable sources to meet that need but you may well need it for petrochemical products that a wind mill or solar panel can't produce.
It would be a waste to have burned all that gas heating homes only to find you need it to make the critical parts of your windmills or some life saving drug.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:If you weren't so parochial, RGR, you would know that social, geographic and geological conditions are vastly different in the UK to the US.
I do.
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vtsnowedin wrote:I suggest that the natural gas supplies that are in the ground in the UK are better left where they are for now and perhaps for a few decades. Like a gold reserve it will increase in value where it sits and one day, when world supplies available to you from importation have declined and prices climbed, you can tap it then using technology that as yet does not exist or at least not as well developed now as it will be by then.
Absolutely!!
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ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:................. How high will the Brits go before deciding that folks freezing and whatnot is unacceptable, so let the despoiling begin!
We could stop folks freezing by insulating our homes properly and applying minimal heating. We don't have the low temperatures that the US has in the north and mountainous regions with your mainly continental climate. We enjoy a maritime climate with moderate temperatures all year round with only occasional very cold weather; once every two to five years if we are unlucky.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:................. How high will the Brits go before deciding that folks freezing and whatnot is unacceptable, so let the despoiling begin!
We could stop folks freezing by insulating our homes properly and applying minimal heating.
Absolutely.
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ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:Yes, but our pollution of the biosphere might lead to the UK having a climate more akin to others at its latitude in the future.
The first mildly sensible thing you've said in 100+ posts...
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