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Apparently Equality and Fraternity aren't appreciated by all French citizens.
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Eventually, this will end with the Muslims of Europe being driven into the sea or worse. The only question, so far as I can see, is how long before that happens.

This is the beginning of a new and probably terrifying order in Western civilization. Or, it is the beginning of the end of Western civilization.
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Little John wrote:Eventually, this will end with the Muslims of Europe being driven into the sea or worse. The only question, so far as I can see, is how long before that happens.

This is the beginning of a new and probably terrifying order in Western civilization. Or, it is the beginning of the end of Western civilization.
You are often predicting a violent outcome, but this time I fear that you are right.
Anti-France protests are spreading in many Islamic places. Burning of effigies, shoe throwing, and burning of French flags.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-54751920

Personally, I have more sympathy with the French whose citizens have been murdered, than I have with those doing or supporting the murdering.

If Little John, or indeed anyone else, organised an "anti Islamic" protest, with similar behaviour to that prevailing at the anti-French protests, then it seems likely that they would be arrested for racism.
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BritDownUnder wrote:Those silly frogs are really in a bind. They allow free speech to insult the Muslim's prophet stirring up the 'believers' having let millions of them into their country beforehand.
The entire West is in a bind, us included.
It's probably fair to say that most Muslims immigrants want to live exactly the same life as back home, but with a better economic situation.
So, they put their traditions and the message from the Mosque before trying to assimilate, which instantly puts them odds with the values of liberal democracies.

The choices seem to be between better integration, which I don't see much evidence of in Bradford, Oldham etc.
Or increased tension, discrimination, division and further conflict.
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France is a bit further down the line than the rest of Western Europe and has a bad history with its immigrants. No doubt the UK is on the same trajectory but a few decades behind.
In the end you get the government you vote for. Personally, I vote for the most right wing party possible be it BNP, New Zealand First or, when I get the vote in Australia, One Nation as it is the only way long term to stem immigration and overpopulation.

I would give the US a fair chance of survival especially with a Trump victory. New Zealand too. Reasonably good border policy and high gun ownership. Australia I am not so sure about but again it is a longer way down the line than Western Europe. One good thing about Covid down under is that it has frozen immigration and probably will for a long time to come.

I don't think removing Muslims from Europe will the as easy as people think. They have a long history of infiltrating, conquering or usurping countries, whole civilisations even, are very patient and play the long game. It took Spain from 711 to 1492 to get rid of them along with guerrilla activity for another 100 years. As I said before at least one third of France's future population is now Muslim and I would guess the percentage of Muslim school children in the UK at between 10 and 20%.

I like to think of them as a bit like Cuckoos. Have a read up on the strategies employed by that bird and you will know what I am talking about.
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Several lives lost in what is believed to a terrorist attack in Vienna, Austria.

Early reports suggest that several attackers opened fire with rifles and killed multiple people.
The police have killed one of the attackers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54786952
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Latest reports regarding the Vienna attack state 4 victims killed and that others are seriously injured and remain in hospital.
It is now suspected that the gunman may have acted alone, contrary to earlier reports suggesting several terrorists.

A number of suspects are under arrest.

The terrorist is reported to have been released early from prison.

Meanwhile the terrorist threat level in the UK has been increased from "substantial" to "severe", meaning that an attack is considered "highly likely" but that there is no intelligence regarding a specific threat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54798679
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The worry in the UK is that these attacks will insight copycat attacks by previously unknown radicalised Moslems. This could happen anywhere but odds on it would be more likely in areas with larger numbers of Moslems and most likely with a knife or vehicle as guns are hard to come by unless you're from the criminal fraternity.

On the other hand there might not be any attacks at all.
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I agree, WRT copycat attacks, as you say probably not involving firearms.
In the near term, the lockdown arguably reduces the risk since there will be fewer crowds to attack.
After the lockdown I expect more attacks in the UK.
Tomorrow, the last day before lockdown is IMHO rather high risk.
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adam2 wrote:I agree, WRT copycat attacks, as you say probably not involving firearms.
In the near term, the lockdown arguably reduces the risk since there will be fewer crowds to attack.
After the lockdown I expect more attacks in the UK.
Tomorrow, the last day before lockdown is IMHO rather high risk.
Oooooh...

Better keep those shiny new restrictions on civil liberties in place after Covid has ended....right?

All for our safety... obviously
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