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AndySir wrote:It seems you are incapable of following the most basic of threads, UE, as well as incapable of reading links. My comments on the Kenyan genocide were directed at Catweasel. Despite your claim, you are obviously not familiar with the history as that happened in the 1950s - not in our great-great-grandfathers generation (I'd hope) but in ours or at least our parents.

It seems that both you and SC agree that the Enlightenment, and the separation of church and state are good things. I would suggest then that the problem you have is with Theocracy or totalitarianism and not Islam.

Here is a brief except of different approaches to one of the more controversial pillars of Islam: Jihad, which in itself only occurs in the seven pillars of Ismailism.
Jihad "Struggle": The definition of jihad is controversial as it has two meanings: "the Greater Struggle" and the "The Lesser Struggle", the latter of which means a confrontation with the enemies of the faith. The Nizari are pacifist and interpret "adversaries" of the faith as personal and social vices (i.e. wrath, intolerance, etc.) and those individuals who harm the peace of the faith and avoid provocation and use force only as a final resort only in self-defense. The Druze have a long history of military and political engagement, but refer to this pillar solely as Rīda "Contentment" – the war to fight that which removes you from the ease of the Divine Presence, a meaning similar to that of the Nizari. In addition, the 'Uqqāl "Wise Ones", the religious cadre of the Druze, are pacifists.
Here is a brief wiki article on liberal Islamic movements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_mo ... thin_Islam
I imagine you didnt watch the link I just posted but all your liberal movements in islam have done what exactly, when I was in saudi as a child they still had human slavery thats was in the 1970s, the main reason islamic majority countrys changed is they got whomped on the field of battle, your liberal movements did next to nothing .

Islam is set up in such a way to not reform, from a islamic point of view islam is perfect , if you see reform normally it works in a way to push the religion more towards the fundi side .

Jihad as spoken of in the koran and haddith you need to have warhorses and weapons thats not a spiritual struggle thats killing people, I used to work on the top athiest website critical of islam run by former muslims, and Ive seen debates between jihadi muslims and your limp liberal muslims and in everyone the fundis have won .

In the real world not on the internet those liberal muslims in majority muslim countrys especially wouldnt even try to have that sort of debate because of the very real danger they would be killed for shirk .

The film I posted had clips of every western leader saying what a great peaceful religion islam is, they know about as much about it as you do
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I'm not sure whether that article is helping people to understand a complex inter-related set of things, or actually making them even more complicated and therefore harder to understand. It's not really about UKIP or the UK's relationship with the EU - that is a side issue in the article, which is primarily anti US neoconservativism. Apart from both being right wing and having a tendency to attract lunatics with strange beliefs, that's all they really have in common. UKIP is still, effectively, a one-policy party. If the UK left the EU then UKIP would cease to exist very rapidly. US neoconservatism is something much bigger and more sinister.
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jonny2mad wrote: Islam is set up in such a way to not reform, from a islamic point of view islam is perfect
True, and perhaps without an understanding of the history of the Abrahamic religions people do not understand how true this actually is. Islam, in part, was a reaction to Christianity. Or rather, to what Christianity had become by the early 7th century. Christianity was viewed by the founder(s) of Islam as a religion that had gone wrong. That's why it is so important in Islam for there to be no pictures of Mohammed, and why there is no cult-ish aspects connected with his death or grave. This was so there could be no risk of Islam turning into a something focused on the worship of a human or of anything else that wasn't explictly and completely God. Christianity was also viewed as something that had changed from what it had started out as - and not in a good way, because it had by then already become the tool of power-hungry politicians. Islam is set up in such a way that there could be no repeat of these mistakes.
The film I posted had clips of every western leader saying what a great peaceful religion islam is, they know about as much about it as you do
Anyone who thinks or says Islam is a peaceful religion is an ignorant fool. Or, in the case of those politicians, a slimy, lying coward.
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:roll: Still at it then guys. You must have a lot of time on your hands.

Why not get a job? Why not get a hobby? Why not get some real friends? Why not get laid? :lol:

Anything but this same old monotonous shite that you all keep peddling of late!!

Bring back the good old days of PowerSwitch when this forum was both vibrant and interesting. :)
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I quite like this thread. I can see both sides but end up on the side of immigration isn't bad for the economy, or for working people.

Could be bad for local environmental issues.
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Shortfall wrote::roll: Still at it then guys. You must have a lot of time on your hands.

Why not get a job? Why not get a hobby? Why not get some real friends? Why not get laid? :lol:

Anything but this same old monotonous shite that you all keep peddling of late!!

Bring back the good old days of PowerSwitch when this forum was both vibrant and interesting. :)
Your join date is dec 2013 :shock: did it used to be that interesting back in the good old days :shock: :shock:
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Shortfall wrote: Why not get a job?
But I'm engaging in pointless arguments to avoid doing my job.
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:lol:
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AndySir wrote: Well I did learn something. Here's an interesting definition from Laland and Hoppitt ("Do animals have culture?" J. Evolutionary Antropology, 12, 150-159).
Hmmm.... Do animals have culture?

Are humans animals?
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I guess animals also have iPhones then.
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Bacteria are cultured.
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AndySir wrote:I guess animals also have iPhones then.
Yes, some animals have iPhones.
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Whatever you think about UKIP, one thing is for sure: they claimed there would be a political earthquake tonight, and they were right. I am watching the Euro results come in, and something unprecedented is indeed happening.

Looks like UKIP are going to go from 4th/5th, to 1st. The mainstream parties can no longer ignore "the European question."
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I don't think people are voting ukip because of Europe. I think they're voting ukip because they aren't libdems, tories or labour, all of whom have failed in their manifesto promises over the past few years and all, if you ask me, for the same reason.

When UKIP fail in the same way (and for the same reasons), we might see some progress.
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