Spain Watch, and Catalan independance

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:17 pm

Fiat currencies have some value by being legal tender within a jurisdiction. Otherwise they might as well be tulip bulbs.

Secondly remote voting is very vulnerable to election fraud simply because the secret ballot disappears. It does not matter what cryptographic systems you use because that is irrelevant.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:11 pm

Judging by the way Bitcoin is going it is tulip bulbs!

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:35 pm

kenneal - lagger wrote:Judging by the way Bitcoin is going it is tulip bulbs!

I think you are probably right. It is the sort of thing that people jump in on in the hope of offloading it just before the peak.

However, it doesn't even have the value of being legal tender anywhere.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:47 am

If the ladies under the lamp posts and in the titty bars start excepting bitcoin it will be as the coin of the Realm. Until then it is just imitation money.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:49 am

vtsnowedin wrote:If the ladies under the lamp posts and in the titty bars start accepting bitcoin it will be as the coin of the Realm. Until then it is just imitation money.

The Titbitcoin ?

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:46 pm

I am not at all sure that trying to prosecute Puigedemont and 13 other Catalan nationalist leaders for "sedition" and "rebellion" is going to prove a wise long-term move. What is he going to do? Go back to face the charges, and make himself into a political prisoner and effective martyr for the separatist cause? Can't see that playing into Madrid's hands very well. Or stay in Belgium and claim asylum? A citizen of an EU country claiming asylum in another EU country?? What precedent does that set?

This isn't over.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:11 am

Belgium would hand him over to Spain the day the arrest warrant was signed.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:58 am

I think it would need an EAW rather than just an Arrest Warrant, but if he wants protection from the Spanish authorities he would probably have to go to Russia.

There is in fact a rule which makes it nigh on impossibly to get Asylum in one EEA country against other EEA countries. I helped some UK citizens try to get Asylum unsuccessfully in the RoI against the UK (Childrens issues, baby stealing that sort of thing).

On the same point, however, a mother from the USA was given Asylum in the Netherlands.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:33 pm

johnhemming2 wrote:I think it would need an EAW rather than just an Arrest Warrant, but if he wants protection from the Spanish authorities he would probably have to go to Russia......

How about an Ecuadorian embassy?

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:48 pm

Well, I've bought bitcoin and have no regrets.

It is a bull market and is clearly not a bubble, yet.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:51 am

Lord Beria3 wrote:...It is a bull market and is clearly not a bubble, yet.

When did Dutch bulbs become a bubble?

From Capital & Conflict

For smart-thinking investorsâ€¦ this co-ordinated monetary â€˜coupâ€™ could open up gains like 6,560%â€¦ or even 48,900% over the coming months and yearsâ€¦

At least with a bulb you could plant it and grow something beautiful. If bitcoin goes you have literally nothing!

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:25 am

kenneal - lagger wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:...It is a bull market and is clearly not a bubble, yet.
When did Dutch bulbs become a bubble?

From Capital & Conflict
For smart-thinking investorsâ€¦ this co-ordinated monetary â€˜coupâ€™ could open up gains like 6,560%â€¦ or even 48,900% over the coming months and yearsâ€¦
At least with a bulb you could plant it and grow something beautiful. If bitcoin goes you have literally nothing!

Actually you might have some mathematically curious prime numbers, but I have not studied bitcoin.

Post by **adam2** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:16 pm

8 ministers from Catalonia have just been jailed by the Spanish authorities.

I rather doubt that this will end peacefully.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41850094

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:22 pm

adam2 wrote:8 ministers from Catalonia have just been jailed by the Spanish authorities.

I rather doubt that this will end peacefully.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41850094

Looks like a very bad move, strategically, by the Spanish government. Doesn't make much difference whether Puigdemont ends up in exile or in prison, either way he becomes a symbol of anti-democratic oppression of Catalonia by Madrid.

It is very difficult to see how this can be resolved any other way than by holding another referendum, this time legitimised by the Spanish government.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:33 pm

Foolish of the Spanish government. The harder they respond the more there will be Catalan support for independence.