clv101 wrote:All this talk of manufactured viruses, compulsory vaccinations with ulterior motives and the western politicians and doctors being in some way in on it is absolute rubbish in my opinion.
Anyone who seriously thinks our elected officials or the civil servants would entertain such activities for a moment are in my opinion way way out of touch with reality.
I really don't fancy an argument about this but your strongly worded post prompts me to respond.
As your post makes clear, at the bottom of this whole debate is not the question of evidence, but of what we each think our leaders are capable of.
In times of crisis, governments lie to their populaces and frequently exploit them. Do you think in WW1, the Government sent hundreds of thousands of mostly uneducated men to the trenches imagining anything other than that they would be slaughtered? Do you think the American Government and the CIA gave a fig for the lives of the soldiers in Vietnam? All they cared about was eradicating communism, at a very high cost if necessary, as long as it was not they personally who had to bear it.
And what is currently at stake is at least an order of magnitude more serious than the survival of our political system. One way or another, the world WILL be depopulated over the next few decades. It seems to me you don't accept this as inevitable. As I read in a review on DODGY TAX AVOIDERS recently, if any other species had swelled to the numbers that humankind has, we'd think it long overdue for a cull. Many here, despite being atheists, are still in thrall to the Christian doctrine that we should not kill members of our own species.
I also think many people here, having grown up in by far the cushiest society and time in history, don't have the imagination to realise that bad stuff and impure motives are not just things that happen in films, novels and history books.
Do you really doubt that elected leaders are capable of acting cynically, dishonestly and callously? Are you, for example, the one person in the country who thinks Tony Blair told the truth about Iraq?
I think some people are incapable of accepting the grey area between believing everything and believing nothing. You and Vortex believe nothing but what's in front of your noses. You are, it seems to me, both fundamentally decent but unimaginative people, who have difficulty accepting that the world might be an unjust and complicated place.
No one here has said they believe outright that there is a programme for depopulation. There is no irrefutable evidence for it, so it remains merely a possibility. How serious a possibility one thinks it depends partly, no doubt, on one's view of human nature. I think human nature is highly malleable - people can change their interpretations of morality and what's acceptable very quickly, in response to changing circumstances. You and Vortex seem to think that human nature is essentially static, and good.
My guess is that many doctors have serious reservations about the vaccination programme, but prefer out of fear or just the desire for a quiet life not to speak out. I have personally witnessed adverse situations in which people who I thought possessed integrity have kept their mouths shut, their heads down and their noses clean, and dispassionately watched their fellows take the bullet. I would actually say that this is by far the most common human response to any kind of moral dilemma. History, I think, bears me out quite well. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I suspect neither you nor Vortex has studied history much.
"We're just waiting, looking skyward as the days go down / Someone promised there'd be answers if we stayed around."
I for one have no further interest in discussing this further though of course can't disagree with you that is is a "possibility".