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How will oil depletion affect the way we live? What will the economic impact be? How will agriculture change? Will we thrive or merely survive?

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Gasifying our ample coal beds with their uneconomic to mine fractured seams makes sense. Chasing small puddles of oil in the UK doesn't.
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Manchester hosts huge anti-fracking demonstration:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... t-12165793
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fuzzy wrote:Gasifying our ample coal beds with their uneconomic to mine fractured seams makes sense.
In what possible way could developing additional fossil fuel resources make sense when existing, fossil fuel reserves are far more than required to cause climate change impacts that'll literally kill billions over the coming few centuries.

We need cunning ways to leave a lot of fossil fuel reserves in the ground - it doesn't make sense to mobiles more.
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trump's got news for you.
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Trump or no Trump, all profitably recoverable fossil fuels will continue to be extracted and consumed until either they have run out or global industrial civilization has collapsed. Whichever comes the soonest. Get used to it and prepare yourselves and your families as best you can. Or don't. Either way, it is inevitable.
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clv101 wrote:
fuzzy wrote:Gasifying our ample coal beds with their uneconomic to mine fractured seams makes sense.
In what possible way could developing additional fossil fuel resources make sense when existing, fossil fuel reserves are far more than required to cause climate change impacts that'll literally kill billions over the coming few centuries.

We need cunning ways to leave a lot of fossil fuel reserves in the ground - it doesn't make sense to mobiles more.

In what possible way could developing additional fossil fuel resources make sense, answer: when we live near the arctic.
We need to 'literally kill billions' because they are too dumb to stop overbreeding, and none of the gravy train environmentalists are actually addressing the maths.
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Oh what a tangled web we weave............

Received from Greenpeace today:

Hi.........

It’s just been revealed that The Prime Minister’s office plotted with other government officials to to hide a negative report on fracking, right as Lancashire decided whether to give it the go-ahead. [1] But here’s the worst bit, they’re hiding even more from us and hoping you won’t notice.

Together we can make sure all is finally revealed. Sneaky emails already show officials chatting about keeping a report secret because the minister in charge had a “sensitivity to shale.” [2] So hundreds of tweets asking them to release the truth on fracking might just embarrass them into coming clean on the rest of their chats about fracking.

Can you please tweet DEFRA, the government department in charge of the environment, asking them to stop hiding their discussions on fracking? It’ll only take one minute.

Tweet DEFRA. Email DEFRA

Not only are governments obliged to play fair with freedom of information requests, the Conservatives should feel obliged to keep their promises of increasing the power of local democracy. [3] Yet they chose to play games - first they released a heavily censored report, then only revealed part of the information asked for. After we forced them to release the rest of the information, they refused to disclose crucial emails about the cover-up. [4] If they’re still hiding after 14 months - there must be must worse to come in the rest of the emails.

Lancashire Councillor Marcus Johnstone said “It is dirty tricks of the highest order - a real eye opener.” Unless we make sure the government properly come clean, more local communities could be forced to make a crucial decision on the health & climate of their area while the government tries to keep them in the dark.

Can you please ask DEFRA and Andrea Leadsom, the minister in charge, to reveal their conversations about fracking?
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Chris Martenson: Why the Shale "Boom" is becoming a debacle
Chris Martenson wrote: The bottom line is this: The US shale industry resembles a fraudulent Ponzi scheme much more so than it does any kind of "miracle".

How do I know that? Because, collectively, US shale companies have lost cash in every year of their existence. The burned through cash when oil was $100 -- and again when it was $90, $80, $70, $60, $50, $40, and $30 a barrel. They burned through cash in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016.

You don’t have to be a finance guru to appreciate or understand that any industry that persistently burns through cash is a bad deal. Especially one whose prime product – shale wells – principally deplete (-85%) in roughly three years. If you’ve been in business for 9 years drilling wells that mostly run out in 3 years, and you haven’t managed to produce positive cash flow at any point along the way, then it's time to admit that your business model simply doesn’t work.
It's not becoming a debacle - it always was and always will be an economic and environmental disaster area.
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Fracking is a zombie "industry"

Justin Mikulka: Fracking Industry is Cannibalizing its own production
In the climactic final scene in There Will Be Blood — arguably the greatest movie about the oil industry — the main character played by Daniel Day Lewis explains how he sucked the oil from a neighbor’s land by using horizontal drilling. To help his neighbor understand what has happened, he explains it by saying he took a very long straw and “Drank your milkshake!�

Well guess what is happening with the fracking revolution that is built on the concept of horizontal drilling? Not only are oil producers drinking each other’s milkshakes, they are drinking their own, and in the process losing even more money and raising the odds of dangerous environmental risks.

And unlike in the movie where the main character knew what he was doing, the modern fracking industry really has no clue what to do about the problems caused by the combination of horizontal drilling and greed.
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Now time for some good news:

Drill or Drop? Companies pull out of Leith Hill
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raspberry-blower wrote:Now time for some good news:

Drill or Drop? Companies pull out of Leith Hill
Europa wrote:The Minister’s decision not to renew the lease at Bury Hill Wood is disappointing, however, we intend to continue to work closely with our partners to determine how best to take the licence forward.
Great news for the company. They should be able sue the government for loss of potential earnings. :roll:
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Surprise: pro-fracking judge jailed anti-fracking activists

The further Americanisation of the UK.

They should sue the feck out of him.
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emordnilap wrote:Surprise: pro-fracking judge jailed anti-fracking activists

The further Americanisation of the UK.

They should sue the feck out of him.
This is an appalling example of corruption, I can't believe he didn't realise his connection would be found out.
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careful_eugene wrote:
emordnilap wrote:Surprise: pro-fracking judge jailed anti-fracking activists

The further Americanisation of the UK.

They should sue the feck out of him.
This is an appalling example of corruption, I can't believe he didn't realise his connection would be found out.
And Cuadrilla have started fracking in his jurisdiction too.
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The jailed protesters have been released on appeal. The appeal judge stated the original sentences were clearly disproportionate and should have received community unpaid work.

Too late for the protesters to be at the site for a final showdown.
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