Best shelter for cattle.

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Construction has now started.
Rough stone external walls being built from reclaimed materials, internal walls from reclaimed concrete blocks and bricks.
Damaged concrete railway sleepers will be used also, obtained for free.
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Post some pictures if that is still possible. :)
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Regret no pictures, this is not my project and the owner would not want pictures posted.
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adam2 wrote:Regret no pictures, this is not my project and the owner would not want pictures posted.
Understood.
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This structure has now been completed, and inspected by TPTB. they showed little interest in the cattle shed, but where more interested in the adjacent farm office, and in particular concerned that this is not intended as living space.

The absence of a bed or any bedding, no hot water supply, no bath or shower and no indoor toilet were regarded with favour.
The provision of electric lights was considered a bit suspicous, as was the fireplace.

One concern is that people may arrive and live in the new shelter, hopefully the bull will deter this as he runs free with the herd.
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adam2 wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:15 pm This structure has now been completed, and inspected by TPTB. they showed little interest in the cattle shed, but where more interested in the adjacent farm office, and in particular concerned that this is not intended as living space.

The absence of a bed or any bedding, no hot water supply, no bath or shower and no indoor toilet were regarded with favour.
The provision of electric lights was considered a bit suspicous, as was the fireplace.

One concern is that people may arrive and live in the new shelter, hopefully the bull will deter this as he runs free with the herd.
Good to see that someone got past planning permission without being related to someone in the council or playing golf with someone important etc etc.
Do the planning people come back and check that a place has not been altered on a regular basis or do they require on tip offs and snitches?

I am interested to know who they think may arrive and live there? Travellers, Refugees, New Age Travellers, Great Aunt Agnes, or the Homeless?
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Most planning departments are too short of staff after the austerity measures at the moment to keep a regular check on anything. Most will only look at a possible breach of planning regulations if it is really serious or a lot of people complain about it or their Building Inspectors report any unauthorised building.

What they worry about is a case of anyone living in a place for a period of more than four years where planning permission wouldn't be granted as that would probably get them a dwelling by default. And their biggest worry is people getting an unauthorised house in the country. Their second biggest worry is someone getting planning for a new dwelling in a town where they don't want them to be.
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Indeed, in this particular case there are two different concerns.
Firstly the council don't want dwellings to be built under the exemption that permits agricultural buildings. They inspected the new farm office and seemed more or less satisfied that it is not a dwelling.
The owner has no intention of allowing anyone to live in it whilst times are normal, though this remains a possibility after TEOTWAWKI.

The other concern is that people might come and live in the open fronted cow shed. The much more basic and temporary shelters used previously did tend to attract people. Not certain if these were permitted migrant farm workers, illegal migrants, homeless people, or youths seeking free holiday accommodations.
The present practice of having a bull running free with the herd is a deterrent. As is CCTV.
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The weather has recently been cold for the area, light snow showers, sub zero temperatures at night and only slightly above freezing in the day.

The cattle seem to like the new shelter, they spend all night in it and wander around in the day. There is still some grazing on the higher land but the lower field are partly flooded. Prepared cattle cake, and spent oil seed is fed to supplement the limited grass. The bull leads and the cows follow him.

Only one case so far of people living in the cow shed, they moved on after the bull stared at them.

The farm office has been broken into and the batteries for the PV system stolen. Little else of value.
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Sorry to hear about the batteries getting nicked but it does happen. I think rural crime and the perpetrators/usual suspects has been discussed in another thread. It would be interesting to see a YouTube video of the bull out-staring the unwanted guest.

Perhaps super heavy batteries could be sourced or having them concreted into place. Some 2 volt batteries can be 70-80 kg in weight.
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Our 6V Rolls batteries are 57kg each, not trivial to pinch.
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Our 2V house batterise are 60 to 70kgs each. The one that we had pinched was a 100Ahr truck starter battery at about 30kgs. I must put a steel hoop over it to bolt it too the floor and put up some CCTV.

We have stuff nicked, mainly small, readily carryable items, about once every five to ten years so I'm not sure the cost of CCTV is warranted though.
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The stolen batteries were a couple of 6 volt, 250 AH units, secondhand fortunatly. Not that portable. The thieves drilled a hole in the substantial hardwood door and then cut around the lock with a jigsaw. Quite a bit of other property stolen also, but nothing of significant value.

The "happy campers" are suspected to be legitimate Eastern European migrant farm workers. They have been moved on from other sheds and barns in the general area, and allegedly believe that being in the country legally also permits use of any "spare" buildings as temporary accomadation.
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adam2 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:11 am The stolen batteries were a couple of 6 volt, 250 AH units, secondhand fortunatly. Not that portable. The thieves drilled a hole in the substantial hardwood door and then cut around the lock with a jigsaw.
I'd be concreting the next lot of batteries into the floor if they do not need the electrolyte to be emptied as part of battery maintenance. Once you know they work of course.

Perhaps putting a metal plate over the door where the lock is may help to strengthen the door as well. With the advent of a variety of cordless tools all you may be doing in the long run is slowing them down. An isolated building that is not visible from another is always a temptation I suppose. A noisy burgler alarm might help.
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