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Catweazle wrote: That's definitely not within the spirit of the lockdown - that's your interpretation. He broke no law

not within the gov't guidelines - guidelines aren't law,
and pretty shoddy behaviour - is not an argument.
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vtsnowedin wrote: I'm surprised you Brits have spent so much time and energy debating this lackey and his callous actions. He is a jerk and got caught out at it. So what. move on. Don't you have something better to talk about? Like the proper way to sort a sock drawer or something?
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Cummings was the architect of Brexit. He was the brains behind it.

He also advised Bojo not to do a deal with Farage. It worked and he got a thumping majority. This is why this fella is so viscerally hated by certain sections.

Once in power he took on the press, banning certain long standing journo's. Stopped talking to established and entitled news programmes, and literally throwing senior civil servants out of government if they leaked to the press.

They are gunning for him.
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Catweazle wrote:
stumuz1 wrote:Are you are back on with the 'broke the rules' claim.
Yes. Wasn't it obvious ?

I'll explain again.

He took his family on a 60 mile jolly to Barnard Castle and back, whilst suffering from Covid19, and by his own admission possibly unfit to drive.

That's definitely not within the spirit of the lockdown, not within the gov't guidelines, and pretty shoddy behaviour.
Again. Which law did he break?
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eatyourveg wrote:He was there making rules,
Parliament(the rule makers) passed the emergency laws which deal with rule breakers.

Again.This is quite fundamental to this debate. Name the rule he broke.


No, but don't be offended by that. Cannot be arsed.
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Also a quick heads up on guidelines which the press are suddenly moralising about. (Millie Dowler?)

Guidelines are written for the educational level of an eleven year old. Whatever guidelines, medical, h&s whatever, all written in dumbed down language so they can be understood by 90% of adults.

The guidelines pertaining to the lockdown are so full of exemptions, anyone with a loo roll in the car can safely ignore them.
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Boris Johnson wrote:If you don’t follow the rules the police will have the powers to enforce them, including through fines and dispersing gatherings.
Police have the powers to enforce the rules. I'll bet that the vast majority of people understand that to mean the rules are law.

The fact that some FanBoys are arguing technical loopholes to protect their idol is pathetic.

I can't wait to see the excuses for Cummings editing his old blogs, I'm sure they will be very creative.
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Catweazle wrote:
Boris Johnson wrote:If you don’t follow the rules the police will have the powers to enforce them, including through fines and dispersing gatherings.
Police have the powers to enforce the rules. I'll bet that the vast majority of people understand that to mean the rules are law.

The fact that some FanBoys are arguing technical loopholes to protect their idol is pathetic.

I can't wait to see the excuses for Cummings editing his old blogs, I'm sure they will be very creative.
You are still not getting this are you cat? The police can only enforce rules that are breaches of the criminal law. It's really, really, really simple.

Which criminal law did Cummings breach?
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UndercoverElephant wrote:Cummings is toast:

https://www.newstatesman.com/science-te ... oronavirus

He claimed in his hour-long excuse yesterday that he'd been warning about coronaviruses for years, and now it turns out he's been caught editing old blog posts to add bits about coronaviruses. The guy is a liar of the worst sort, and a bit of an idiot for not realising he'd get caught. This finishes him.
Yes for someone who appears to do it a lot he is not really a very proficient liar at all.

A large number of people are completely skeptical about many, if not all, of the narrative he delivered yesterday. Whether it is true or not many are thinking that maybe the whole episode was a blind panic blue funk where he simply ran away when it got too hot in the kitchen.

And please don't get me going about self perceived rufty tufty metro types swanning around in their ludicrous shiny Land Rover Discos!
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Potemkin Villager wrote:..................And please don't get me going about self perceived rufty tufty metro types swanning around in their ludicrous shiny Land Rover Discos!
That lets me off the hook then. Mine hasn't shined since a few days after I bought it.
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Mark wrote:
Little John wrote:Cumming has stated he drove before developing symptoms. Do you have evidence that is not true. If you don't, then your assertion is just that. An assertion. Which means it is irrelevant.
I have no 'evidence' other than from his own highly prepared statement.
"I was worried that if my wife and I were both seriously ill we had no reasonable childcare options in London."

He said he then ran home to be with his wife – he said she might have had COVID, but did not have a fever or cough. He also felt it was highly likely he had contracted the disease having been in close contact with the PM and others who developed symptoms.

He said he was worried "this situation would get worse", and "I was worried about the possibility of leaving my wife and child at home all day and often into the night while I worked in Number 10".

He said: "I thought the best thing to do was to drive to an isolated cottage on my father's farm".
You would argue black is white if it suits you.
Have you seen all the lock-down breaches over the Bank Holiday ?
People think that if the Government don't follow the rules, why should I ?
There will be a price to pay for this, and it will be counted in body bags.
Mark, you are arguing that black is white. If you carefully read that statement at no time does he say that he has covid 19. He just says that he might have it because he has been cooped up with a lot of people who do have it.

And according to LJ, his ultra left friends and his ultra right enemies there will be no extra body bags because only the old get the disease and most of them have the good sense to stay locked in.
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From a friend on Face book
What the hell are these cummings and goings all about?
About sums it all up really.
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There's fake anger, but also proper pissed-off anger.

People who are genuinely angry about cummings. Are they sure its not more to do with the fact you (we) have realised how easily you (we) have been led. Everybody naturally wants to be led I think, but we don't like it when our leaders lead us astray. When we notice this, naturally, people get angry and look for someone else to blame. Rather than ourselves who were so eager to be led in the first place.

People have died alone. Elderly folks who could pop their clogs at any time haven't had contact with people for months. Terrible going-ins. But who's fault is it? Cummings, or people who themselves made poor personal decisions based on some quasi-law, rather than listening to their instincts and common-sense.

And these personal decisions could have been made with little risk to themselves, loved ones, and everybody else (no matter how dangerous coronavirus is viewed). Just like the decision cummings made. A calculated risk made by an adult, and critiqued by adults who became children.
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stumuz1 wrote:You are still not getting this are you cat? The police can only enforce rules that are breaches of the criminal law. It's really, really, really simple.
According to the regulations police can enforce the rules by use of force to take you home. Have a read of the regulations:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/made

In particular:
Prosecutions
11. Proceedings for an offence under these Regulations may be brought by the Crown Prosecution Service and any person designated by the Secretary of State.
(9) Where a relevant person considers that three or more people are gathered together in contravention of regulation 7, the relevant person may—

(a)direct the gathering to disperse;
(b)direct any person in the gathering to return to the place where they are living;
(c)remove any person in the gathering to the place where they are living.
(3) Where a relevant person considers that a person is outside the place where they are living in contravention of regulation 6(1), the relevant person may—

(a)direct that person to return to the place where they are living, or
(b)remove that person to the place where they are living.
(4) A relevant person exercising the power in paragraph (3)(b) to remove a person to the place where they are living, may use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of the power.
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The offence I think you were looking for is :

Restrictions on movement

6.—(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

So, as any lawyer who was watching his press conference will have noticed he must have said the words 'reasonable' many times.

Then go on to read S.2 (a-m) on what constitutes reasonable. He could use any one of them.

So, again cat, What law did he break
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Snail wrote:There's fake anger, but also proper pissed-off anger.

People who are genuinely angry about cummings. Are they sure its not more to do with the fact you (we) have realised how easily you (we) have been led. Everybody naturally wants to be led I think, but we don't like it when our leaders lead us astray. When we notice this, naturally, people get angry and look for someone else to blame. Rather than ourselves who were so eager to be led in the first place.

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This anger and false outrage have been whipped up by a media circus that hates Cummings because he has complete disregard for them or because they hate his influence on government policy. The people have been entirely led by the press on this issue while the press has ignored other more serious, illegal abuses by Labour politicians.
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