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kenneal - lagger wrote:When he said that if he ever ran for President he would run as a Republican because Republican voters are the dumbest.
He never said that. Fake quote.
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Lord Beria3 wrote:I see that Trump has now recognized man-made climate change.
Interesting, given he's intending to cut climate research funding. Link, please.

His planning application for sea defence works near where I live acknowledges the need to deal with climate change's effects. I accept, even if he denies climate change, he's using the language the planning authority wants to hear.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/22/polit ... ork-times/

Here you go.

Personally, I rather like the idea of NASA funding going back into space exploration. Lets be honest, if Greer and the Limits to Growth is correct, this is the last generation (us!) who have a realistic chance of exploring space before winter comes and we revert to a deindustrial Dark Ages.

So, a couple of billion here or there on NASA climate change funding will do F--k all with the wider trajectory of accelerating man-made climate change.

Scott Adams has had a terrific record in predicting Trump's moves (he predicted Trump would win the presidency in June 2015).

Adams wrote a while ago that he thought that Trump's strategy would be to pretend to be a climate skeptic to show that he "got" the red state base and over time move to the point that he recognizes the connection with mankind and persuade the climate skeptic side of America that if he thinks climate change is real, so can they.

Greer has written of the failings of the climate change lobby before, but part of the problem has been the perception that a left-wing socialist element have taken over what was a scientific group and turned it into a left-wing lobbying force. Maybe, just maybe, Trump could be the man to restore that balance and make it acceptable again for meat loving Republican conservative voters to accept man-made climate change.
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Hmmm. There again, it's very politician-like to do the opposite of what you promise.

What Trump fails to realise is that combating global warming is one of the last areas where 'real' jobs can be created, the very last area that can grow under current economic beliefs. He can't grasp that.
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Let see.

My own view is that the climate change activist lobby have discredited climatic change through their own strategic errors. Greer has written before on this subject (http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ ... ortem.html)

However, there are other means of pushing the same broad policy mix forward e.g. national reliance/self-sufficiency, energy independence etc

Trump's protectionist leanings will encourage him to help develop and promote home-grown industries which will also help climate change. The era of globalization is starting to die and the future is is the nation-state and the locality.

(edited Kenneal - to add URL hyperlink)
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Little John wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:....tbh, the main reason I am glad he is President Elect and not Hilary Clinton is that he hasn't demonized the one man in the world who can destroy civilization - Vladimir Putin. I can sleep at night knowing that the risks of WW3 have been greatly reduced thanks to the election of Trump on 8 November 2016....
This
I agree. And Putin isn't really the problem, Merica is. Just look at the long list of countries they have invaded over the last 70 years - many of which we (our government) have supported. :evil:
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https://paularbair.wordpress.com/2016/1 ... #more-1219

Cracking post on Trump's win. Better then Greer.
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Far too long to read. Must have been paid by the word. Long documents are not necessarily effective. It is often the case that "less is more".
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woodburner wrote:Far too long to read. Must have been paid by the word..
It is his own blog. Wasn't paid at all, probably. Some people just need an editor.

When you are being paid by the word, you have to make sure that all the words you are writing actually count, or you will not be commissioned to write anything else by the same person/organisation. You are being paid for quality content, not to fill space.
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woodburner wrote:Far too long to read. Must have been paid by the word. Long documents are not necessarily effective. It is often the case that "less is more".
Agree entirely. Even if the article is worthy, the longer it is, the fewer people read it, so diminishing that very worthiness.

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Agree with the comments.

But the author still makes some worthy points if you can through the long read, in particular, his comment on "sophisticated state collapse" which both the EU and America are now witnessing.
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The reason the lumpenproletariat don't give a shit about climate change is because the very people castigating them to be more green are the same people who have stood idly by and watched them get shafted by neo-liberal global-capitalism for the last thirty odd years whilst simultaneously flinging labels of "bigot", "sexist", "racist" and "white-privilege" at them whenever they have had the temerity to complain. Thus, the lumpenproletariat have come to reject everything that the liberal intelligentsia has to say.

The baby and the bathwater.

Meanwhile, that same liberal intelligentsia have gone into hysterics and are now throwing up their hands in horror and incomprehension at how it all could have come to this. An archetypal example of which is our very own Biff Vernon (though, he seems to have gone AWOL of late).

All of which would be quite hilarious if it wasn't so unutterably tragic.
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I actually miss Biff. It would be nice if he were to come back and admit that actually we had a point all these years and help to try to explain some of it to his own peers. But perhaps he is still coming to terms with what has happened, and specifically his own role (or rather him and lots of people who think like him) in creating the current situation.

We most definitely told him so, though. And he most definitely would not listen.
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Little John wrote:The reason the lumpenproletariat don't give a shit about climate change is because the very people castigating them to be more green are the same people who have stood idly by and watched them get shafted by neo-liberal global-capitalism for the last thirty odd years whilst simultaneously flinging labels of "bigot", "sexist", "racist" and "white-privilege" at them whenever they have had the temerity to complain. Thus, the lumpenproletariat have come to reject everything that the liberal intelligentsia has to say.

The baby and the bathwater.

Meanwhile, that same liberal intelligentsia have gone into hysterics and are now throwing up their hands in horror and incomprehension at how it all could have come to this. An archetypal example of which is our very own Biff Vernon (though, he seems to have gone AWOL of late).

All of which would be quite hilarious if it wasn't so unutterably tragic.
The real scandal of the Green/Ecology parties, who obviously have lots of good principles - is that they wouldn't stop paying people to have kids and they wouldn't stop the 80 years of mass immigration that the city of London corporation tells the government is necessary. They could have run the country, probably with Corbyn as an MP, if they had gone beyond UK politics.
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Hits the nail on the head:
"Brexit and Trump: A disaster for liberalism caused by liberal elites

by Robert Wragg

2016 has borne witness to perhaps the biggest rise in anti-establishment anger in a generation, but it hasn’t come from the usual suspects. No longer is it the radical left protesting the political elite, but rather it is regular working class voters, and they’re looking to the right. Culminating in the British public’s vote to leave the European Union, and the election of Donald Trump in the USA, liberal left parties are struggling to gather enough support from the electorate. The same is true on both sides of the pond, as in many others countries. So why is this happening?

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http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2016/11/21/br ... al-elites/

Biff? Biff Vernon?

Please come back and talk about the future with us. The real future.
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