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The rise of the far right

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Islamic State extremism and the Rotherham abuse scandal are fuelling a far-right backlash in the UK, one of the Home Office's most senior advisers on right-wing extremism has said.

The anonymous worker claims the government has overlooked the problem amid its focus on tackling jihadists.

The Home Office says it is working to prevent "all forms of extremism".

But the Institute for Strategic Dialogue claims the government must engage more with the far right.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29204170

And from Australia this morning:
Australian police have carried out major anti-terror raids triggered by a call from a senior Islamic State militant for "demonstration killings", Prime Minister Tony Abbott says.

The raids, involving at least 800 heavily-armed officers, took place in Brisbane and Sydney.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-29245611

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke.

It's time we, the good men, did something and confronted this cancer which, in the UK, is represented by UKIP, the BNP, EDL and a growing number of other radical right wing organisations.
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Shortfall wrote:
And from Australia this morning...

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke.

It's time we, the good men, did something and confronted this cancer which, in the UK, is represented by UKIP, the BNP, EDL and a growing number of other radical right wing organisations.
Yes, but the Australian case looks like Abbot inventing the evidence to justify sending troops to the Middle East. I would include him in the 'cancer' list.
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biffvernon wrote:
Shortfall wrote:
And from Australia this morning...

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke.

It's time we, the good men, did something and confronted this cancer which, in the UK, is represented by UKIP, the BNP, EDL and a growing number of other radical right wing organisations.
Yes, but the Australian case looks like Abbot inventing the evidence to justify sending troops to the Middle East. I would include him in the 'cancer' list.
Exactly! It's the far right doctrines and increasingly nationalistic views that I find most worrying. :(
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Shortfall is Rotherham you and biffs fault or the EDL ukip and BNP,

Anyway read the reports and ask yourself who was at fault, cancer is the rape of 1400 kids and people standing by who caused that ?

Who spoke out about asian grooming gangs for decades, which group swept what was going on under the carpet while 1400 kids got raped had petrol poured over them to break their will

Who is more to blame the home office with their policys that filtered down to this council or the right wing, and now the home office the guilty men dont want to be exposed

:shock: far right backlash pah
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Shortfall, Increasing nationalism is going to be inevitable in the hard times to come, like it or not. For the reason why, consider the following; imagine your local community faces an external threat to it's safety. Of course, being a decent man, you would do whatever you could to support and work towards ensuring the health and well being of your local community in the face of this threat. However, if things got really bad and you were forced to choose between allocating life saving resources to your neighbours or allocating them exclusively to your kid (you couldn't do both), then would you sacrifice your kid's life for the sake of the community?

If you were a selfish bastard, you would may well exclusively allocate those resources to your kid long before things were tight enough to force you to choose. On the other hand, if you were a decent person, you would only do so when forced. But, any normal person would choose their kid when forced. To expect them not to is to fly in the face of life's deepest imperative, to look after your own.

The only pertinent question that remains, then, is what kind of nationalism are we going to have? Is it going to be the barbarous form espoused by the likes of the BNP or the only thinly disguised version in UKIP. Or, is it going to be the kind of left leaning nationalism that Scotland, hopefully, is about to embark upon?
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jonny2mad wrote:Shortfall is Rotherham you and biffs fault or the EDL ukip and BNP,

Anyway read the reports and ask yourself who was at fault, cancer is the rape of 1400 kids and people standing by who caused that ?

Who spoke out about asian grooming gangs for decades, which group swept what was going on under the carpet while 1400 kids got raped had petrol poured over them to break their will

Who is more to blame the home office with their policys that filtered down to this council or the right wing, and now the home office the guilty men dont want to be exposed

:shock: far right backlash pah
To the extent that there is a right wing backlash, it is only because of the disgraceful vacuum left by the pathetic "don't call me a racist" liberals. We are on polar opposite ends of the political spectrum. But, we have in common a visceral dislike of a certain kind of limp-wristed liberal narrative , I suspect.
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But, we have in common a visceral dislike of a certain kind of limp-wristed liberal narrative ,
Hmm what's limp-wristed got to do with it? Sounds like a bit of a homophobic slur to me.

I think you mean that some parts of the left has lacked a robust and clear response to extremism. Some parts of the left have ignored the harder issues that multiculturalism sometimes throws up, particularly how far we challenge fundamentalism of any stripe, especially where it conflicts with human rights and discriminates against other sections of society.
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nexus wrote:
But, we have in common a visceral dislike of a certain kind of limp-wristed liberal narrative ,
Hmm what's limp-wristed got to do with it? Sounds like a bit of a homophobic slur to me....
It only sounds like that if you have in your head a 1970's, fey, Larry Grayson-esque, stereotype of what it is to be gay. Look inside your own head for that slur mate. By limp wristed, I was using a metaphor of lack of firmness of values and beliefs. Or, are you suggesting that gay people are incapable of holding firm values and beliefs?
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FFS of course I don't think that of gay people and in fact a member of my close family is gay and here with me right now, which is why I challenged you on it.

I asked them whether they thought what you had written was homophobic and they said yes, they thought it was.

Limp-wristed has long been used against gay people so even if you didn't mean it like that it still comes off as homophobic, even if, as you say, it is a "metaphor of lack of firmness of values and beliefs"

I was merely suggesting you think about what kind of language you use. Surely "weak or lacking in robustness" would be a better way of saying what you wanted to say, rather than using something which has been used to hurt gay people for decades.
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BTW if you are going to reclaim a term that has previously been used to denigrate a particular community, then you do actually have to be a member of that community, otherwise it just looks thoughtless.
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jonny2mad wrote:Shortfall is Rotherham you and biffs fault or the EDL ukip and BNP,

Anyway read the reports and ask yourself who was at fault, cancer is the rape of 1400 kids and people standing by who caused that ?

Who spoke out about asian grooming gangs for decades, which group swept what was going on under the carpet while 1400 kids got raped had petrol poured over them to break their will

Who is more to blame the home office with their policys that filtered down to this council or the right wing, and now the home office the guilty men dont want to be exposed

:shock: far right backlash pah
:roll: When I want the opinion of a bigot who believes every word he reads in the Daily Hatemail and is content to blame a whole community for the sins of the few, I'll know where to look.
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nexus wrote:BTW if you are going to reclaim a term that has previously been used to denigrate a particular community, then you do actually have to be a member of that community, otherwise it just looks thoughtless.
Yep, that's right Nexus. You get stuck in there getting all hot under the collar about the use of language. That's a favourite sport of the neo-left these days isn't it? So much easier than actually having any actual effect in the real world isn't it. Still, makes one feel useful I guess.

And we wonder why our right wing elites find it so easy to take the piss?

Jesus f***ing wept.
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Johnny, what happened in Rotherham was vile and inexcusable and religion/culture/class played a part. Same as the abuse in the Catholic and Anglican churches, boarding schools, children's homes, the BBC and all the other places there was sexual abuse of kids.

However the main variable is that people (usually but not exclusively men) had power over children and abused that power in the worst ways possible.

Instead of trying to incite racial hatred what we need to do is look at how we challenge the cultures of secrecy, power and lack of transparency so that this kind of thing cannot happen and also ensure the police deal with these crimes properly.
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So much easier than actually having any actual effect in the real world isn't it.
You have no idea of what kinds of things I have done to have an actual effect in the real world, I'd put money on it that it's more than you've done.

Plus the two are not mutually exclusive, you can think about language AND have an effect.

When you've finished with the straw men and ad homs maybe we can have a proper discussion.....
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nexus wrote:Johnny, what happened in Rotherham was vile and inexcusable and religion/culture/class played a part. Same as the abuse in the Catholic and Anglican churches, boarding schools, children's homes, the BBC and all the other places there was sexual abuse of kids.

However the main variable is that people (usually but not exclusively men) had power over children and abused that power in the worst ways possible.

Instead of trying to incite racial hatred what we need to do is look at how we challenge the cultures of secrecy, power and lack of transparency so that this kind of thing cannot happen and also ensure the police deal with these crimes properly.
Bullshit. Whilst there is and always will be a predominant, though not exclusive, issue of male dominance in sexual crimes, one of the main marks of a civilised culture is the extent to which that tendency has been tamed and corralled. For all of its other many and varied faults, too numerous to mention here, the indigenous culture of this country has, to a significant extent, achieved that taming and corralling, though by no means completely.

However, some of the cultures that have recently been imported to these shores over the last few decades are literally centuries behind in terms of such cultural development and have been allowed, unchallenged, for fear of appearing racist, to continue with their vile cultural attitudes and practices by the pathetic, neo-left liberals I mentioned earlier. Furthermore, that lack of challenge runs the risk of this shit polluting the host culture as well, in turn undoing centuries of positive cultural development. Shame on them and shame on you now for trying to dilute the cultural blame and for not having the guts to call a spade a spade. Any culture that allows for this kind of behaviour is inferior and should be stamped on hard. And, if the people who persist in holding onto it complain, then they need to F--k off and live somewhere else.

And by the way, I don't happen to think that all Muslims do go along with this vile shit., partly due to this issue being one of geographical origin as much if not more- than religion. But, those that do need to F--k off, plain and simple.
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