Is it really hard to fathom why many people despise the US?

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George Carlin
The reason it is called "The American Dream" is because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Little John wrote:George Carlin
The reason it is called "The American Dream" is because you have to be asleep to believe it.
We've heard that one before. But consider that the median income in Bangladesh is $1190 US per year and food stamps in the USA pays out $125.35 per family member per month.
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Another shooting - this time snipers open fire on police officers in Dallas

BBC: Dallas shooting: 5 Officers dead, 6 others wounded
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The obvious trigger for this was two separate incidents of black men being shot dead by white police officers whilst offering no resistance, and in one case simply sitting in has car after being pulled over for a faulty light.

Clearly some people who know how to shoot (ex vets? ) decided that was two too many.
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Putting aside the particular rights and wrongs of this particular incident, it is emblematic of what we are rapidly approaching in many Western states.

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Another shooting in the US, this time in Baton Rouge, 3 police officers dead:-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 41696.html
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AutomaticEarth wrote:Another shooting in the US, this time in Baton Rouge, 3 police officers dead:-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 41696.html
So to your East you have the truck killings in Nice France and to your West you have the gun murders of police officers in Louisiana. Are you ready for when it comes to your doorstep and kills your friends and relatives?
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The Nice murders are deeply troubling. Trucks are ubiquitous, it is not possible to control them to prevent this type of attack without reaching a level of overt police state that is both obnoxious and crippling to the economy.

Race war by disgruntled ex-military with easy access to large armouries, less so.
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Improving healthcare services for the mentally ill might be more effective than military solutions.
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biffvernon wrote:Improving healthcare services for the mentally ill might be more effective than military solutions.
Well that certainly needs to be done and should be done post haste but I don't think you should divert funds from the security forces to pay for it.
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biffvernon wrote:Improving healthcare services for the mentally ill might be more effective than military solutions.
In the case of the USA, stopping white cops killing black people for no apparent reason, would likely be more effective.

As for the ISIS killings, I am doubtful it would make much difference.
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snow hope wrote: In the case of the USA, stopping white cops killing black people for no apparent reason, would likely be more effective.

As for the ISIS killings, I am doubtful it would make much difference.
In the UK white cops kill black people only very rarely.

The evidence we have so far suggests that the Nice lorry driver was better described as mentally ill than having any close connection to ISIS, but doubtless evidence will either emerge or be fabricated to demonstrate what is most convenient.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 60391.html

UK police opened fire 7 times in the last year. That is equivalent to US cops opening (or returning) fire 35 times in a year.

(UK figures do not include shooting out tyres in car chases, but I did not know that even happened in the UK).

At the last count US cops had shot and killed 613 people in one year. I'm not sure if anyone was shot dead by UK police in the last year, although there have been several people die whilst being or under arrest.

You are marginally more likely to be shot dead if you are a UK police, than to be shot dead by them.
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biffvernon wrote:The evidence we have so far suggests that the Nice lorry driver was better described as mentally ill than having any close connection to ISIS, but doubtless evidence will either emerge or be fabricated to demonstrate what is most convenient.
Some people, me included, would say that people who believe that by murdering other humans they will curry favour with an all-powerful invisible being and thus spend eternity in paradise with many beautiful, subservient women to attend their every need, are, in fact, either considerably mentally ill or in the grip of rampant early teenage hormones. Or, more likely, both.
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PS_RalphW wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 60391.html

UK police opened fire 7 times in the last year. That is equivalent to US cops opening (or returning) fire 35 times in a year.

(UK figures do not include shooting out tyres in car chases, but I did not know that even happened in the UK).

At the last count US cops had shot and killed 613 people in one year. I'm not sure if anyone was shot dead by UK police in the last year, although there have been several people die whilst being or under arrest.

You are marginally more likely to be shot dead if you are a UK police, than to be shot dead by them.
Yes you have very low gun murder rates. You criminals resort to other means. A recent year (2011) there were 722 murders in the UK and just 14 of them were by firearm. But the rest were still dead. Actually the homicide rate by all causes is lower in Vermont at 11 per million compared to your 12.1 and Vermont is one of the most heavily armed states in the US where any non felon over eighteen can buy any Federally legal gun and carry it openly or concealed every where except school zones and court houses.
The gang violence and the cops killing innocent people is a major problem, especially in the inner cities which Vermont has none of, but the problem lies between the ears of the people involved and not in the gun rack of the average gun owning citizen.
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