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RGR wrote:There is an excellent argument to be made that the very development of China and India in an era when the Western world has already depleted a large number of the high grade oil deposits will itself require them to take a different path.
Isn't that what we've been saying all these years ? That the easy oil is running out and we need to find alternatives ?

Isn't the clue in the forum title ? Powerswitch - as in "switch to something else".

By Jove, I think he's got it.
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RGR, I’m not talking about large timescales here; I’m being totally selfish and only considering my family’s, my children’s and possibly their children’s life on this planet. During that period of time, the UK, the USA and the rest of the bankrupt West, needs growth to get out of this mess. I can’t see this necessary growth coming from anything else but oil. Of course, we could renege on our debts, but that could, and I’m only saying could, bring about the crash that some people, on forums like this, talk about.
Let nobody suppose that simple, inexpensive arrangements are faulty because primitive. If constructed correctly and in line with natural laws they are not only right, but preferable to fancy complicated devices.
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RGR wrote: Some of the popular topics in this forum right now:

Fast crash/Slow crash
Permanent revolution
Sinister political murders in the USA
Armageddon April
You’re not ‘cheery picking’ are you? :wink:
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RGR wrote:If they can't come up with one fuel for their power plants, they know they can round up another, and can do so. Pretending they have to do it the same way the Western world did is just foolish.
Compulsory cremation in the state combined heat and power crematorium? They've got enough bodies, just need a few more Tienanmen Squares.

I suppose China could turn around the whole direction of its economy in seven to ten years without causing a revolution.
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kenneal wrote:Compulsory cremation in the state combined heat and power crematorium? They've got enough bodies, just need a few more Tienanmen Squares.

I suppose China could turn around the whole direction of its economy in seven to ten years without causing a revolution.
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RGR wrote:
Catweazle wrote:
RGR wrote:There is an excellent argument to be made that the very development of China and India in an era when the Western world has already depleted a large number of the high grade oil deposits will itself require them to take a different path.
Isn't that what we've been saying all these years ?
Who is "we"? Peakers say all sorts of things, and have been doing it for so long that when one prediction doesn't come true, they just make up another and keep moving.
I used "we" to refer to what I see as the average member. I must point out it's just my view on the average view, it could be wrong and I don't claim otherwise. You seem to have an idea of "peakers" that is extreme, and entirely different to my perception of this forums members.


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Catweazle wrote: That the easy oil is running out and we need to find alternatives ?
Maybe "you" have been saying it recently, easy oil ran out prior to Jan, 1901, and humans have been worried about it even before it happened. The people who noticed that the easy oil was running out prior to 1901 certainly didn't attach the end of the world connotations to it that peakers have, but those people were experts in the field versus religious converts, so perhaps that is the key difference.
You like to claim it's all happened many times before, but the graphs tell a different tale.
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Catweazle wrote:
Isn't the clue in the forum title ? Powerswitch - as in "switch to something else".

By Jove, I think he's got it.
Switch already then. Some of the popular topics in this forum right now:

Fast crash/Slow crash
Permanent revolution
Sinister political murders in the USA
Armageddon April

The Rapture still looks to be right around the corner for the true believers.
Switch Already ? I 've started to. I grow my own firewood and burn it in a 79% efficient stove, it does all my heating and hot water. I'd love to turn wood to alcohol one day, if the scientists perfect the enzymes. Until then I need petrol.

To address those four carefully selected examples;

a) We're in a global recession, oil prices are approaching what many people considered a trigger point, countries all around us are going having to be bailed out by the EU, our banks nearly crashed and were bailed out, inflation is higher than predicted, we have food riots in nearby countries. I think it's reasonable to ask if there is going to be a fast or slow crash.

b) Permanent revolution ? Tunisia have overthrown their government, what else would it be called ?

c) Obviously fantasy, the CIA would never kill someone on political grounds. Well, not unless they thought they could get away with it.

d) Armaggeddon April - I think this refers to the first budget from our new government. It could be an orgy of spending cuts.
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YAWN
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I give up.
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Catweazle wrote:I give up.
So do his neighbours, when he is off to yet another really important conference somewhere (key speaker of course), they have to find a replacement village idiot.
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